Re-visit EJ25 replacement with EJ22

doogymon · #1 12-21-2005, 12:21 PM

Great Site

Disclaimer: Haven't played with cars for a lonnnng time and I know this site has alot of threads about this subject. Sorry for any redundancy or improper terminology.

Finally got me a Subaru (been test driving for 8 years). 1997 Outback LTD 2.5L , 300k KM and pooched Head Gasket. I have placed a deposit on a 1995 EJ22 with 93k Km and will pay the rest as soon I have a warm and fuzzy confirmation that I can plug the 2.2L into the O/B.
Is it possible for some "corrective" comments on some of the variables/concepts listed below:

1. The 2.2L (EJ 22) must be a 1995 for a Transplant into a 1997 O/B because of the number of Tranny Bolts? i.e. Post 95 EJ22s went to 8 bolts?

2. The 2.2L must be a 1995 for a transplant into a 1997 O/B because the 95 2.2L has a dual Output Exhaust Manifold that will match up with the 97 Y pipe. Other years for the EJ22 did not have dual exhaust port.Therefore I also need the 95 2.2L exhaust manifold which is included with the EJ22 on hold.

3. The onboard 97 O/B ECU (OBD2) can remain and will plug and play with the 95 2.2L which is OBD2.

4. The 97 O/B is an Automatic Tranny. The 95 2.2L engine Tranny is unknown. I don't think this is an issue.

5. Would it be smart to change the timing belt, water pump and oil seals with the replacement EJ22 before I attempt to stick it in the car?

6. I think I saw a thread where a Suby Guru listed misc items to consider for a job like this like. He talked about engine mount rubbers and stuff like that. Any
ideas?

Thanks Subies. Thanks Emily

Really appreciate it

Merry Xmas from Doogymon

lmdew · #2 12-21-2005, 07:39 PM

I've done two of these 98 Legacy Outback 2.5 swapped to a 2.2 from a 95. Both were Outbacks had standard transimssions so I had good performance with the 2.2.

Yes, the 95 2.2 is a direct plug in. If you swap over the flex plate from your engine, that will bolt up to the transmission fine. Make sure you do NOT pull the torque convertor out of the trans at ALL. Keep it fully engaged back into the trans when you pull the engine.

I also pulled the vapor canster from the 95. The 97-98 has it in the tank area, but you can add the one up front and then you only have one vac. line to plug.

If you know the engine is good, I'd do the T-belt and water pump up front. If you think it may need other work, just put it in and make sure it works before you put any more money into it. Its not hard to do those items with the engine installed.

Good Luck

99obw · #3 12-21-2005, 08:48 PM

I have done this swap as well(not to our car). It can be done using the vapor canister in the rear with only mild futzing with the vacuum lines.

Gnuman · #4 12-21-2005, 09:20 PM

1 is false, 2 is true, 3 is true, 4 should not be an issue, 5:

If you got the engine from Emily, talk to her about the timing belt. CCR is a very reputable company. They may have put one on for you, but I cannot even begin to speak for them. That may be in the area that they do not touch as the belt to use varies from state to state.

doogymon · #5 12-30-2005, 07:18 PM

Thanks very much for your replies.

I will be elbows deep in a few weeks with changing the engine on my 97 OBW.

I may be popping in for a few questions so I thank you in advance.

Happy New Year

grossgary · #6 12-31-2005, 12:42 PM

i may be doing the same and have looked around and posted here before about this.

other era 2.2's can be used, doesn't have to be a 95. if you do, you'll have to swap the exhaust manifold as well. keep the 2.2 manifold with the 2.2 motor if it's not a '95. i have a '97 and '98 2.2 that i may be swapping into a 2.5. they will plug and play as well just like the '95.

99obw · #7 12-31-2005, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by grossgary

i may be doing the same and have looked around and posted here before about this.

other era 2.2's can be used, doesn't have to be a 95. if you do, you'll have to swap the exhaust manifold as well. keep the 2.2 manifold with the 2.2 motor if it's not a '95. i have a '97 and '98 2.2 that i may be swapping into a 2.5. they will plug and play as well just like the '95.

Do the '97 and '98 have EGR?

avk · #8 12-31-2005, 01:45 PM

To have an EGR valve, the 2.2l needs to be from 1995 or later (but still phase I) car with auto transmission .

pearlm30 · #9 01-01-2006, 06:38 AM

It will be nice for someone to document( step by step with photos ) the whole swap.

ccrinc · #10 01-01-2006, 09:30 AM

There is indeed one issue about swapping an EJ22 into a later model Outback.
In mid-'98, the bell housings on both the transmission and engine went from a 4 bolt to an 8 bolt pattern. So, if you try to put a '95 EJ22 into a '99 Outback (for instance) you do not have enough bolt holes to bolt up the starter.
Drilling an additional hole in the 4 bolt EJ22 is iffy at best, unless it's being done by one very precision drilling master.

After 5/98, there may be issues with sensors, OBDs, ECU, etc. Not enough swaps in that time range to have documented everything.

Emily
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