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#1 TheLoyale

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Posted 05 December 2010 - 01:26 AM

So many of you know about Trashwagon10, the 210,000 '95 Legacy Duel-port EJ22 4EAT with an UEL header.

I am looking to bump up the passing power of the engine somehow. I can go from 60 to 80mph pretty quick, and I have had this car up to 100mph once, but would like to feel a little more pull while having my foot down.

What is there to do besides a stepped up Delta Cam? Is there a worthy chip or are those just bull? Maybe changing the Mid-pipe? Looking for something I haven't thought about or have heard of.

Open to all ideas :)

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Posted 05 December 2010 - 04:23 AM

at 210k I'd just leave it be. You not going to get much out of it, the cams would probably help you out a bit, but that's about it.

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Posted 05 December 2010 - 04:41 AM

If you do anything let us know :) I noticed this site is a little more layed back.. vs like NASIOC here they just say leave it be and don't do anything..

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Posted 05 December 2010 - 08:30 AM

Is there a chance you might of lost some when you upgraded your exhaust. I noticed on some of my vehicles when i open up the exhaust i lose low end grunt but gain more in the higher rpms.

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Posted 05 December 2010 - 11:55 AM

Ben,

An UEL header will increase the bottom end torque and off the line responce, some say you loose some top end power, but it feels like it has more guts now then it did. Also removing the muffler has greatly improved top end power.

I think getting a larger Diameter mid-pipe (2 or 2-1/2") might give a bit more pull.

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Posted 05 December 2010 - 12:43 PM

when I put UEL headers on my car like 8 months ago I forsure had more low end but lost some in the top end.

It gets annoying people think I'm trying to race them when leaving from the light so I just let the red light catch up to them lol

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Posted 05 December 2010 - 02:54 PM

when I put UEL headers on my car like 8 months ago I forsure had more low end but lost some in the top end.

It gets annoying people think I'm trying to race them when leaving from the light so I just let the red light catch up to them lol



I'd say my 0-60 is about 8sec (Not to the floor)

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Posted 05 December 2010 - 03:12 PM

I never counted

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Posted 05 December 2010 - 06:33 PM

So many of you know about Trashwagon10, the 210,000 '95 Legacy Duel-port EJ22 4EAT with an UEL header.

I am looking to bump up the passing power of the engine somehow. I can go from 60 to 80mph pretty quick, and I have had this car up to 100mph once, but would like to feel a little more pull while having my foot down.

What is there to do besides a stepped up Delta Cam? Is there a worthy chip or are those just bull? Maybe changing the Mid-pipe? Looking for something I haven't thought about or have heard of.

Open to all ideas :)

-Tom


swap in a 5 spd! :grin: seriously Tom, you already know that these cars are NOT powerhouses and there is so little aftermarket for them that there really isnt all that much you can do. Best bang for the buck for passing - 5 spd! kick it down a gear, stomp on it, kick it up a gear, and gone!

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Posted 05 December 2010 - 06:44 PM

swap in a 5 spd! :grin: seriously Tom, you already know that these cars are NOT powerhouses and there is so little aftermarket for them that there really isnt all that much you can do. Best bang for the buck for passing - 5 spd! kick it down a gear, stomp on it, kick it up a gear, and gone!



Yeah I know a 5spd is the way to go, Maybe some day eh.. :) Once this 4EAT takes a crap (If it ever will) Oh wait, maybe I have to drive my car like all these other dumb kids, making the trans work very hard to shift, I always make sure the tranny wants to engauge smoothly even at red-line shifts, I will back off the throttle just a fraction so it will glide in rather then struggle. I hear a lot of dumb kids drive past my house and just how they don't treat their car well.

This kid that lives kiddie-corner from me has a '01 Mirrage sedan with a fart-can on it, he trys to make it sound like its stick, he'll punch it then back way off the gas then hit it hard again (For a delay sound) thats not the way you treat an auto, your making it work extra hard that way :rolleyes:

DUMB KIDS, OMG! :rolleyes:

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Posted 05 December 2010 - 07:34 PM

check out this thread, it may help:


http://www.ultimates...ad.php?t=117189

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Posted 05 December 2010 - 07:56 PM

Thanks, I just read it and wow thats a cool idea.

Thank you again! I will have to give that a go.
-Tom

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Posted 06 December 2010 - 12:51 AM

Yeah I know a 5spd is the way to go, Maybe some day eh.. :) Once this 4EAT takes a crap (If it ever will) Oh wait, maybe I have to drive my car like all these other dumb kids, making the trans work very hard to shift, I always make sure the tranny wants to engauge smoothly even at red-line shifts, I will back off the throttle just a fraction so it will glide in rather then struggle. I hear a lot of dumb kids drive past my house and just how they don't treat their car well.

This kid that lives kiddie-corner from me has a '01 Mirrage sedan with a fart-can on it, he trys to make it sound like its stick, he'll punch it then back way off the gas then hit it hard again (For a delay sound) thats not the way you treat an auto, your making it work extra hard that way :rolleyes:

DUMB KIDS, OMG! :rolleyes:


best ting wit auto is wen i hold the break and floor it and let go of brek and it goes eeeeerrrrrrrrr

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Posted 06 December 2010 - 01:04 AM

I hope to god your are joking LOL!

Yeah, why not just rev it up to 5000rpm and drop it in drive :lol: Talk about "Boom!"

best ting wit auto is wen i hold the break and floor it and let go of brek and it goes eeeeerrrrrrrrr



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Posted 06 December 2010 - 01:08 AM

Well in all honesty before I swapped my 94 SS to 5spd I did alot of stuff you wouldn't NORMALLY do with your autotragic. Including in D full throttle full boost 4-5k launches.

Rocking 5spd now and loving it car is like day and night! Think about it this way it took me 4 auto's to swap it to 5spd.

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Posted 06 December 2010 - 01:12 AM

Haha, it took you 4 autos to make up your mind wether you wanted a 5spd! I think after the 2nd trans faild, I would question my driving habits with the auto :lol:

Thats one nice SS, those wheels look good on there!

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Posted 06 December 2010 - 01:19 AM

Thanks! Yup definitely should have made the switch earlier, but the 3rd tranny was the best tranny, but the front differential seized! It was probably the best driving auto out of all my transmissions and the damn front diff seizes! Failures have arranged from lost of 1-4 randomly and getting no drive, with no working awd on atleast 2 trannies, and torque converter failure and of course the front differential seizing!

Keep in mind each tranny except the seized differential(stock power) failed with td04 intercooled at 16psi tuned.

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 09:57 PM

my issues with past subaru automatics made me decide to go with a MT and I could not be happier.

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 11:00 PM

my issues with past subaru automatics made me decide to go with a MT and I could not be happier.


I haven't had a problem with either of my Autos, 3AT has 116,567. 4EAT has 210,786.

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Posted 08 December 2010 - 04:15 PM

The best way to fix ANY power problem is to add MOAR BOOST!!!! ...sorry. Old habbits. Other than that, a good tune up, cleaning, and proper maintenance Are the best, cheapest, and most beneficial ways to make power. Beyond that.... a cam, port and polish, and an ECU tune can do wonders. On the issue of transmissions, if the nanny shifter wasn't such a whore, I wouldn't mind having an auto. But as it stands now, with all the high mileage slippage, torque converter failure, AWD solenoid failure, and general weaksauceness, I REALLY agree with the 5 speed swap.

Edited by Xanadu62, 08 December 2010 - 04:19 PM.


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Posted 08 December 2010 - 04:47 PM

The only good post has been the "power" mod. Didn't any of you jokers think of a 50 or 100 shot to boost passing power?

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Posted 08 December 2010 - 08:47 PM

The only good post has been the "power" mod. Didn't any of you jokers think of a 50 or 100 shot to boost passing power?



Yea I like that post too, One of the best bits on info in this thread and very easy to do!

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Posted 09 December 2010 - 07:31 AM

I was going to recommend paddle shifters since it gives you complete control of the trans before and after passing, but figured it would have fallen on deaf ears :lol:

The power mode mod is sweet. Don't know if it actually makes the car faster, or just seem faster though :lol: Either way grounding a pin on the TCU and installing a switch is a super easy mod to make the car feel more "sporty".

As to the "autotragic" comments, I LOVE my auto and probably won't go back to a stick for DD use EVER. Auto's are awesome for driving around town. Add in the paddle shifters and you can drive it like a manual till the day the motor quits. But yet my left foot never leaves the floor. I don't get as tired in traffic, and I am more relaxed when I get to my destination. The 4EAT is a STOUT transmission, and if it does not last its because it WAS NOT taken care of properly. My last one had 215,xxx and it was still going strong before I totaled the car...

There is always the franken motor option as well since you are getting up there in mileage and have a 2.5 block to start off with ;) That will add some passing power for sure! All without adding any boost hehe.

Or a 50 wet shot of NOS works just as well. :lol: How about some methanol injection? :lol: Or how about a flux capacitor hehe, but I digress.

Have you done the power mode mod yet tom? Let us know what you think of it after having it for a little while...

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Posted 09 December 2010 - 11:36 AM

I have not grounded pin 4 yet, been to cold out lol. plus I need a female connector/wire from another ECU.

As for swapping, I would never swap a 2.2 for the 2.5.

Is it worth to have the ECU re-tuned on a pretty much stock N/A engine?

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Posted 09 December 2010 - 12:37 PM

My bad I thought you had the 2.5 :)

Ya you could see some improvement with an ECU tuning, but if you are going to do that, throw in some torque grind delta cams, then tune it. That will show big gains in torque, which in turn leads to more passing power. That's what I would do... I might do the torque cams anyways, I hear they are fantastic!




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