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#1 Crawlerdan

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Posted 07 January 2011 - 10:38 PM

i wanted a spacer for the struts on my 91 legacy
and i came to the realization that no one made these parts for the rear of early legacys

i had already lifted teh car using forester struts, and trailing arms, but needed just a little more to take advantage of the large tires i had.

so i contacted a local machinest and he got started. the prototype set was finished this after noon, and installed on my car.

it is 1 inch thick HDPU plastic

i had him machine reliefs in the bottom so that the longer studs could be bolted on, then the spacer installed

i used 1 inch longer then stock studs, and still had room for my strut tower bar in front

the rusult was a gain in one inch, an no negative affect on camber at all

these will fit all 1st gen legacy wagons and sedans.

the front pieces will fit all subarus newer then 1989-i think

install took 2 hours with air tools

these will be availiable soon for sale

they include all 4 spacers, all hardeware, and instructions

they will be cheaper if bought in bulk, but right now the material is expensive in small quantaties

Edited by Crawlerdan, 08 January 2011 - 03:02 PM.


#2 Crawlerdan

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Posted 07 January 2011 - 10:46 PM

for some reason i cant post pics- i can email someone the pics - and tehy can host them, but i can put them up right now

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Posted 08 January 2011 - 04:55 PM

I'm interested

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Posted 08 January 2011 - 07:48 PM

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#5 Crawlerdan

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Posted 08 January 2011 - 07:48 PM

i just got back from les schwab, they alignment was a little off, but is in 100% now.
i measured against my freinds stock 92 wagon, and it is 4 1/8 inches taller
with forester struts, links, and these spacers. i have not droped a diff or cross member, and have seen no ill affects yet.

im driving it 3500 miles in a few weeks so ill let yall know what i tink

my machinest said hes up for selling more, but initially they are going to a little more spendy then what i wanted (prolly 180-200 for all spacers and hardeware)

this cost will go down if bulk or group buys occur

#6 Crawlerdan

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Posted 08 January 2011 - 07:50 PM

thanks for posting pics!! awesome.

i have all engineering and fab pics also if desired

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Posted 08 January 2011 - 09:22 PM


the rusult was a gain in one inch, an no negative affect on camber at all


Without an angle in them they certainly have affected camber some. Maybe not a big amount. But simply lengthening the strut definately will create more positive camber * \---/ *

And you put these on in addition to Forrester struts? So you're running 3 1/2" to 4" more than stock. That can't be good for your axles.

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Posted 08 January 2011 - 09:49 PM

ok Gloyale- im actually glad you chimed in with helpful words-

i had the car aligned prior to install, and post
the car had 0* camber before and 2 after BUT WAS RETURNED TO ZERO

this change was only because i didnt line it up correctly on install

the point im making is this- if you car is in good shape prior to this install
then there is no reason the factory installed eccentric bolts will not fix any missalignment

as far as lift- yep ive got 4 inches of lift, rear axles will never wear out even at the increased angle- you and i both know that
as for the front- they are at an increased angle- however, pre lift and post lift show 2* increase in shaft angle-

this is forester strut vs forester stut and spacer measurments

if it was going to wear out, it would have done it in the 10k miles i drove lifted 3 inches, i certainly doubt 2* is all of a suddon going to ruin the axles.

however- prior to me selling these- im going to drive 4k miles, round trip in a few weeks. were talking sitting on the highway at 70mph for DAYS, wheeling at my destination, then returning home. i think we can both agree that any ill affects will become known in that time.







Bottom line is this- everysingle one of us here are modifying FAMILY CARS for off road use, adventure, whetever your cup of tea is. every one of us that has a lifted subaru of ANY kind, are using parts as they where NOT intended- axle wear, alignment tweaks, and vibrations are part of the game. Gloyal- you, of all people, should be clapping at my efforts, not trying to hinder progress- if i misinturpreted your post i appologise

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Posted 08 January 2011 - 10:36 PM

great job and the price is pretty reasonable I love it I just installed a 2 inch to a forrester looks great keep up the good work

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Posted 09 January 2011 - 06:13 PM

how did you measure the 4" difference? with only a 1" block, that would mean you gained 3" from the forester struts alone? That sounds like a lot....

#11 Crawlerdan

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Posted 09 January 2011 - 06:28 PM

...plus big rump roast tires....

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Posted 09 January 2011 - 08:10 PM

Ah, so that's measured from the ground, counting the added height of the larger tires? What size tires are they?

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Posted 09 January 2011 - 08:14 PM

225/60/16... i think or215 60

but either way, alot bigger then the 185, 70 14s it had when i bought it

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Posted 09 January 2011 - 10:27 PM

Ah, a good 2.5" taller than stock. So you've really got just under 3" of lift. That should be within the tolerances of the axles. But only just.


Keep us in the loop. 2* is a big change for a DOJ, especially if you spend time on the freeway.

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Posted 09 January 2011 - 10:43 PM

so far so good man- i did replace both front axles with high quality empi parts when i did the struts, not a peep out of em yet

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 11:04 AM

These look perfect for what I want, and plan on using them together with outback stuts on my leggy. Keep this posted and if you do go into production count me in.

Quick question, even though you don't seem concerned with the camber, why not just cut them at a 15 degree angle anyway? Is it particularly hard with the material used? Seems like it would help a lot esp if you went higher later on.

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 12:46 PM

i d be glad to offer a 15 degree version.- will require ,more work tough

but let me tell you about some testing we did

-this is a bone stock 92 wagon awd, not my lifted 91

we put the car on the alignment rack at les schwab, and took priliminary readings

initial drive in camber was 0.4 negative, well withing acceptable specs.
i then had the tech lift the car exactly 1 inch, lifting from the center, not the control arms- this simulated the 1 inch lift, the computer fluctuated between .3 and .4 negative, so no signifucant change

so we went another inch, it now read .1 negative, still minimall change

we went to three inches total lift, and it read .2 positive

all these readings are within spec, and easily moved with the factory alignment eccentrics

this is about as thorough a test i can provide, unless you have suggestions.

bottom line is- im not a douche that "wants mudders on my car, huh huh"

i thought this out, tested, and did the best i could to provide something that in the end would not only accomplish the deired lift, but be safe enough for my kids and wife to drive around.

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Posted 16 January 2011 - 09:18 PM

OK- im happy to report that i have driven 500 miles since install of the spacers, and couldnt be happier, on and off road, we have seen a fair amount of snow on the outskirts of portland, and its been awesome.

so heres the deal- I will be marketing and selling these spacers from this point foreward


I am offering and introductory price to USMB and Legacy central members.
I will have in my hands, three complete sets within the month

the set will include-

1 inch front spacer(2)
1 inch rear spacer(2)
extended studs and nuts
instructions

intriductory price of 149.99 to your door, that includes UPS shipping anywhere in the lower 48


after these three sets are sold, the price will go to 179.99-free shipping
discounts will be offered for group buys, multi orders, etc.

i have paypal , pm me if you want a set

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Posted 17 January 2011 - 02:36 AM

Doin a sweet job post a full pic of car please im interested in how it looks also Im selling lifts if anybody chimes in for smaller lifts or just that alittle bit more I will send them to you

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Posted 17 January 2011 - 03:15 AM

Does anyone know if I will need to lengthen my steering if I use these in combo with outback shocks? I figure it would be just under a 3" combined. I have a 93 leggy.

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Posted 17 January 2011 - 09:29 AM

Does anyone know if I will need to lengthen my steering if I use these in combo with outback shocks? I figure it would be just under a 3" combined. I have a 93 leggy.

your steering will never be affected until you drop a crossmember-so your good

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Posted 17 January 2011 - 10:27 PM

side profile- i double cheched, they are 225 65 16s:horse:

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 12:17 AM

sweet we have to wheel together lol

side profile- i double cheched, they are 225 65 16s:horse:



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Posted 19 January 2011 - 12:34 AM

sweet we have to wheel together lol


He's got Portland, you're in Wilsonville, and I'm in Salem. Count me in :grin:

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 12:38 AM

I have not been off-roading in nearly a year.... I definitely would consider a local-ish organized subie run. The NWWO guys taunt with all the pics they post of walker!




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