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EA82 to ER27 Swap

ER27 EJ22 SWAP EA82 JesZeK Engine Swap Loyale 2.7 Turbo

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#1 Loyale 2.7 Turbo

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Posted 23 September 2011 - 01:17 PM

First of all, let me Tell you that I think that Swap is a Bad Idea; but since I've "Been There, Done That" and lots of USMB Members have asked about that via PM to me, I Decided to do this Writeup for an Overall experience Reference.



Lets Begin with a brief introduction history:

My Subaru Relation Started Long Time Ago... it is a Long Story that I Already had Told here in the Past Years, but Long story Short:

My Dad Purchased in 1985 (when I was Child) a
White Subaru Loyale Wagon EA82 Almost new (Just Came Running from the Dealer from California USA, to Honduras) It ran Good for the First five Years, but then the Smog Stuff (Cat, etc) got poisoned with the Leaded Gasoline (Here became available unleaded gas just until 1994) so we Removed the Cat, the "Y" Pipe's Filter, the Carbon Canister, solenoids, hoses and everything related, even the EGR... Now it has a Great Weber Carb, H.I.D. Lights, plus many many more Upgrades and actually is my "Everyday Warrior".

Then in 1998 a Dad's Friend who had another EA82 Wagon, that was Light Grey with minor rust in the Back of the Body, (His Garage was Short) but a dead Engine, (Ran out of Oil) was in troubles due to the
Hurricane Mitch's Damages; so my dad Purchased that grey wagon with the idea to make it a Spare Parts Car for our White Wagon and by the Way to help his Friend with some Money...

Then, in year 2000 we came across with someone who got his XT6 Horribly Crashed in the back by a Bus and was parting it out... (there are Very Few XT6's in my Li'l Country) ...we obtained its engine and then the Story Begun.




To Swap ER27 engine from the XT6 on a loyale takes too much work, time and effort; also needs to be very Creative because it needed a whole Lot of things to be modified and/or created (Built).

The ER27 Looks like a EA82 with an extra pair of Cylinders, but is Somehow Odd: The 2.7 does NOT have 6 exhaust ports like the SVX... it throws the exhaust like This: Two cylinders into one Port and the other Cylinder has one by itself on each side, makin' it to Sound like an Old Porsche. Also The 2.7 timing belts are wider than the 1.8 ones.

Dad and I (plus few other Helping Friends) During the year 2000, did Swapped the ER27 engine from the XT6 into the former "Parts Car" and it Became the Project "Loyale 2.7" the Turbo was just a Future Plan that we Had. (That's the origin of my User name)

I Painted in Yellow That grey Wagon (with the ER27 engine) and became my "Weekend Warrior" and since that Swap (Year 2000) I've obtained Lots of Answers to my Subaru questions online here, in USMB; So even the USMB friends helped out. Thank You!

The ER27 engine Bolts to the EA82 Gearbox, we just used the ER27 Flywheel (which is Light weighted, compared to the EA82 one) but keeping the EA82 Clutch's pressure plate & Disc.

The main Problems are:

1. The ER27 is Huge and it only fit on the engine bay Without the A/C condenser, Radiator & Fans; so the Radiator must be Relocated. Also you need to place a (Black) plastic or metallic barrier behind the Front Grille to avoid little Rocks to reach the Spinning engine's belts.

You'll need to be a Lot inventive to solve the Radiator problem. I did a Pair of Small Radiators interconnected, with twin fans.

Other USMB Members who have done the ER27 Swap, done it with a (4"?) Lift to the Body, so the engine Lowers by dropping the Crossmember, letting a Horizontal Radiator + Fan Mounted in the Hood, with Hood Scoop & Vents; so the Radiator goes in the Top of the Engine, somehow.

2. The ER27 engine holds itself to the Front, so you must fabricate a Metallic "Arm" to place the front engine mount.

3. The ER27 is Heavy weighted and the Extended extra weight to the Front does the wagon a Li'l Saggy and could be unstable (makes the Wagon to Underbrake & Understeer) under certain situations at Higher Speeds.

I Used the Front Struts from a 4WD Model (Mine was 2WD, the 4WD ones are a Li'l bit Taller) and used Ford Tempo's front Coil Springs in the front of my Wagon, that helped to keep it on level.

You can Read
here the complete Write-up about my Suspension Mods.

4. You'll Need to Swap the XT6's ECU and Wire Harness. 

5. Many things need to be Modified, like the Engine's Crossmember, Power Steering Pump Retrofit, (The one on the XT6 is electronic & Variable) Custom "Y" Pipe, Fuel Pump Upgrade, etc...

The Turbo It is doable, (it has been Done an ER27T... I saw it on: www.xt6.net -that web site went dead- also you can find more info here) but since our ER27 Wagon had some Problems with overheating and Underbraking, we decided to leave it standard until we Solve the Radiator and Handling Problems First ... :(  ... No Turbo.

My Dad used to drive the Yellow ER27 Wagon "Weekend Warrior" at our Hometown, while I use to drive as my "Everyday Warrior" the White Weberized EA82 Wagon, 'cos I live so Far Away home due to my Job.

My ER27 (XT6) Wagon Lasted over a Decade, Now is Crashed: An Unfinished Project Back to Square one; more info about that,

so, it became some sort of "Still in Development, Project Car" again, unfinished yet, (mainly Due to the lack of Money and time, you know... ) But it was fully Driveable and it ran great! ... :banana:...

We used it for short trips at Slow-to-medium Speed driving, to prevent it from overheating... (You Know the Head Gasket's Nightmare) ...I drove it in Many Travels including offroading, as you can see in my
online Videos...

My ER27 Wagon Drove Nice at Regular Speeds, but if you trend to Drive Faster \ Loaded / in many Uphills, the ER27 engine trends to Overheat easily with those small Radiators ... :angry:

Now I Know that an ER27 engine doesn't make "Faster" a Loyale, Like an EJ Engine could do, due to the Extra Weight to Horsepower Ratio...

So I really Don't think that an ER27 engine is good idea for a Loyale, due to the troubles of the extra weight going to the Front -brakes and Unhandling- many adaptations -Lots of Patience, time and effort- and the null space that remains in the front of the engine's bay -The radiator does not fit and it is difficult to repair or replace the front of the Engine's Parts- and other issues, Like Losing A/C, plus tires wear faster...

So, now I Have the idea to swap instead of that ER27, a Lightweight LADM EJ series engine Someday in the Future.

Those Fit Better, Makes the Radiator and everything fits like Stock; also their Power is just Around the ER27 or even Better... Plus Easy Service to their Front Parts and no "TOD" Song! ... :grin: ...I like the Strong & Durable EJ22.


Those EJ22 did came to Latin America (LADM) with stock Distribuitor & Carburetor,


a Trully "Bulletproof" engine, somehow...






...so if I Could find one like That, it will be an Easy EJ Swap for sure, plus having the Easy Weber option! :brow:

If I could go back in time, I think that the EJ Engine is the right way to improve a Loyale...

So I Want to Respectfully Suggest to Choose Between This Two Options instead of an ER27:


First you could do the Famous and Easier EJ Swap.

Second: you can "Downgrade" the car by installing an EA81 engine, which is another "Bulletproof" engine somehow.

Well... I Hope This will Help you; please excuse my frankness.

Kind Regards.

Edited by Loyale 2.7 Turbo, 16 April 2013 - 02:41 PM.
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