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#26 ivans imports

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Posted 08 January 2014 - 10:52 AM

I putt my money on loose rear sus parts I test drive 40 subarus a week in snow and ice all behave differently depending on tires air preshures. And #1 how loose the rear suspention is the rear of a awd car is more prone to handling problems if any rear bushing / strut is loose at all. As far as the awd units go not near as many problems with that as there used to be I thought the newer cars they sorted it out. But the awd cars always had a push me pull me feel to them on slippery roads since day one standard cars were not as bad as the auto ones



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Posted 07 January 2015 - 05:41 PM

This problem is NOT fixed! I've had out 2015 outback not even 4 months. Felt like back was swaying out here and there...but each time it was a short trip...and I just figured I guess its icy...other times its fine...compact snow fine...snow GREAT....but glare ice....No.

 

Today we had plans to travel to Calgary Alberta....got on the old hwy 43...and sure enough get up to 60...then 70..km/hr and fishtailing sensation...back and forth a good 2+ inches each side...constant...had to do everything in our power to keep it from spinning right out. All other cars buzzing past not having any issues. We changed drivers to see if maybe it was just that...same problem. So fricken scary! Get turned around and it seemed okay...got a few more kms onto a different road on the way home same rear end going all over the place...driving straight with what seemed like mininal ice on the road. Took it to the subaru dealership Asap...same day they test drove it did it for them too...now my new subaru which I bought because of the icy roads and long winters here is sitting in shop and my confidence is shattered. Now what?



#28 ThoughtIWasAHappy

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Posted 07 January 2015 - 05:43 PM

I also I might add running nokian hakkapeliitta studded tires...which have only one season on them!!! I'm just baffled and dismayed by what I experienced today..not sure where to turn.  And I don't even have 7000kms on this car yet. :(


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Posted 08 January 2015 - 06:04 PM

Anyone? have any input about my above post? So we took our car home after it had its 5 hour long scan at dealership to see what was wrong....it came up clean. It appears all tires had 10 to high pressure...not great but mechanic said he didn't feel that really played a role in what he felt when he drove it. The aliment was also slightly turned in, which could create some issues, but again mechanic said not likely reason for severe over acting in the rear. That's what he called what he felt, back end was severely over acting....?? whatever that means, I am not mechanically minded. But logically I would think AWD should not react this way. 

 

Drove home car was being its awesome self. But weather, road conditions had changed...it had snowed, but light snow which was blowing clear off the pavement mostly but there def was fine layer of ice as it was a lovely -19c. No slipping...even tried to push it to see if it would lose traction in rear, nope nadda...infact I felt I could safely travel faster than most. On side roads I also tried to get car to spin out around corners...nope it wasn't having any of it. So I am severely confused. 

 

Now don't think its fix cause this is no different than before getting car realigned and tire pressure fixed. Car is 90% superior I find. I never have issues starting stopping at intersections...often I find I have superior winter road abilities in this car compared to others driving around me. But then out of nowhere I have ZERO rear control. Slowing down doesn't fix...I still feel it its just that I am able to struggle to correct each swish easier going slower. And looking around I see no one else having ANY issues. But my car is 100% unable to be driven during these times. So is it just icy roads, I think  not if FWD vehcles are able to drive as normal...its clearly not just driver error....yesterday when it became very bad me, my husband and mechanic could not control that rear end!! Is it during some weather the "Mechanics" of this car are just unsuitable ? I hate to say yes cause were does that leave me....with a 3month old car that I still owe 20,000+ on? I don't know what else to do??  :(

 

So where we left it is, drive the car...see if we have problem come up again, I feel it will...mechanic doesn't think its fixed but there's no seen problem with car when looked over...clearly there's a problem. I just don't know?? Wish someone could weigh in on this.



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Posted 08 January 2015 - 06:06 PM

As it stands now I feel like I have one of the best cars most of the time, aside from the fact every now and then it becomes the scariest vehicle I have ever driven ...for no reason at all. I live in flat alberta....roads run straight...yet my car only want's to do figure 8's no No reason!



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Posted 04 January 2016 - 01:42 PM

Have driven Audi Quattro's for 20+ years and brought my first Subaru (06 Legacy 2.5i) about four years ago with 50K on it just for a change. This lose backend issue occurs in snow/rain so car needs to be driven with great caution. Last year all four struts and rear wheel bearing were replaced followed by Continental PureContacts. This has helped somewhat but the car is no where as stable as my previous Audi Quattro's and VW 4Motion's (sorry for the comparison). I had hoped my first experience with a Subaru would be more positive but am lost for what else to do.  I will try putting in the FWD fuse as suggested. I have always done majority of the mechanical/electrical repairs so not a newbie to car repair and wanted some more details of ShawnW suggestion of clutch pack replacement. Thanks.



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Posted 04 January 2016 - 01:52 PM

Its not going to be fixed as long as they still use the same multi-link rear suspension design they started using in 05. 

 

Pre-05 models don't have this problem because the rear suspension is a simpler design and less prone to camber/toe changes when the suspension moves. 



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Posted 04 January 2016 - 06:26 PM

Maybe i'm just plain odd for thinking this but NO car is going to be good on glare ice. A subtle crosswind can change the path of the most surefooted vehicle in those conditions. The newer outbacks are substantially bigger than the old ones. This could be creating a sail effect.

I'm not discounting mechanical causes on some older cars, but the earlier poster with a brand new car shouldnt have this kind of issue IF the wind isnt blowing.

Ive driven all manner of subies up to the 2000 models, in all manner of conditions. On ice, none were great. I had to slow down a lot. It really sounds like an overconfidence issue to me. 60kph is too fast on ice unless you're in a tracked vehicle, or have chains on.

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Posted 04 January 2016 - 06:42 PM

My 03 LL bean used to be great on glare ice, wet ice, you name it.

 

Now it's a bit of a ghostwalker, even with good snows.

 

The steering has that 'eager to move off center' feeling familiar from previous cars I've had when I've loaded the heck out of the rear.

I think my springs must be sagging after 250,000 miles.



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Posted 05 January 2016 - 12:15 PM

Not talking about ice, just road snow and good amount of rain as other cars zip past. The back end is just too easy to let loose. Car has been checked out for ball-joints and bushings with no issues found. As mentioned, have plenty of experience with quattros, 4-motions and land-rover variations of AWD with no issues. I can't believe this car acted this way when new.



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Posted 05 January 2016 - 04:51 PM

under warranty - have alingment checked? 

 

Subaru offered updated alignment spec's for 05-09 outbacks for this issue....



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Posted 07 January 2016 - 05:22 PM

My 06 Legacy had four wheel alignment when shocks were replaced about 18 months ago. I plan to take it in for another alignment (not at the dealer)

Does anyone have the revised specs to ensure they are using the updated spec?






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