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#1 Carmen

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 08:24 PM

87 ea82 with leaking hill holder, my dad did the jeszek lazy solution removing the cable and it works but he want to put the clutch return spring and there is a metal piece in the way, it was for the cable.

question is to remove or cut that metal piece, is that renforcing the gearbox? has 2 screws and can be removed but my dad wanna cut the top of it, he is not sure

another question: is a bypass made to remove the hill holder?? no leaks but sees ugly .

thanx :)

#2 Carmen

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Posted 19 May 2012 - 01:55 PM

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 02:35 PM

here i have posted step by step instructions labeled in which order you follow them in. Straight from the Haynes Workshop manual.:brow: Hope it helps.... It worked for me.:D

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 02:36 PM

http://www.facebook....07430874&type=1
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#5 Durania

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Posted 24 August 2012 - 07:22 AM

You need to switch to another image host besides linking to facebook. Imgur or photobucket will do just fine.

#6 Carmen

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 08:31 PM

yes , please help me, the image does not load.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 11:54 PM

You need to switch to another image host besides linking to facebook. Imgur or photobucket will do just fine.

not intirerly true he can just copy the image url from one picture at a time on facebook and clicking thisPosted Imageand pasting the url

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Posted 09 June 2013 - 01:43 AM

... my dad did the jeszek lazy solution removing the cable and it works but he want to put the clutch return spring and there is a metal piece in the way, it was for the cable. ...

 

Lol! :D

 

Yes, it works fine for me.

 

The small piece of Metal can be removed, no problem.

 

The Facebook link doesn't work for me neither,

 

I Believe that he must add you as his friend in order to gain access to his private photo album(s)

 

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Posted 18 April 2015 - 12:23 AM

So, Now I want to get Rid of my Hill Holder's Check Valve, the one that was leaky years ago...

 

Then, I simply removed the Cable that comes to it, from the Clutch's Fork and that stopped the Leak, but that valve being there, disconnected, looks Ugly, takes space and doesn't make any sense to keep it if I never use it.

 

So, my Question is:

 

Could I remove the Hill Holder's Check Valve and place a "T" to join the three Brake lines?

 

If that is the proper solution, please confirm if the Measurement of such "T" is 10 mm x 1.0 pitch, with Flared seat. Any information and experiences regarding the Subject, will be very welcome.

 

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Posted 18 April 2015 - 09:59 AM

I have contemplated removel of this thing many times. Its simply is low on my priority list so it hasnt happened and I cannot tell you the correct thread sizes. If they are m10x1 flare perhaps something like this will work http://www.brakequip...10mm-mount-hole
A few years ago I deleted a KH abs module that was causing greif on a GM. From memory I think it had 3/16 lines with some goofy 10mm bubble flare fittings. I didnt even bother messing with any of that. The fittings were cut off 3/8 fittings installed and lines flared. This allowed for an off the shelf tee to be used and eliminated the search for an oddball tee.
Dont know if you have any "shelves" down there so perhapse just ordering the right fitting is easiest.

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Posted 18 April 2015 - 12:01 PM

Thank you for your response.

 

Yes we have many aftermarket car parts' Stores locally, National and International, including NAPA, and certain Especialties' Stores, such like the Gates agents which sells Rubber Hoses, Bands and Brake Parts only; so maybe it won't be too dificult to find a "T" with the correct measurements. 

 

But since my "BumbleBeast" is a daily driver, I don't want to stop it for much time, I will love to be Sure what part exactly will fit there, in order to do this Job fast.

 

 

This one that you found online:

 

BQ91A.jpg

 

Seems to be a Perfect Candidate, except for the type of Seats it must have.

 

Somehow it looks like it doesn't have any kind of seats on each opening.



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Posted 18 April 2015 - 12:26 PM

Unless im missing something the "seal" is created by the mating surface compressed against the flared tube inside the fitting. I imagine this part may take inverted or single flare.

Edit
Sorry Jez, i get what ur saying.... This site claims the above mentioned part accepts inverted flare

http://www.brakeconn...10mm-mount-hole

Edited by ihscout54, 18 April 2015 - 04:29 PM.


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Posted 18 April 2015 - 12:39 PM

http://www.ebay.com/...c-/261549106336
This looks like a gem as well. Its also conveniently located in Latvia. These are surprisingly hard to find. Hence why I mentioned cutting and flaring.

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Posted 19 April 2015 - 05:45 AM

If you know of an EA81 manual trans vehicle sitting in parts yard near you, you would find the needed "Tee" fitting on the "HH" mounting bracket.



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Posted 19 April 2015 - 11:59 AM

If you know of an EA81 manual trans vehicle sitting in parts yard near you, you would find the needed "Tee" fitting on the "HH" mounting bracket.

No the hill holder is the T in manuals. You would find a proper T on a auto trans vehicle or an 81 or earlier model which did not have HH

Or just buy a t fitting with 10mm female flare.

Edited by Gloyale, 19 April 2015 - 12:00 PM.


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Posted 19 April 2015 - 12:40 PM

No the hill holder is the T in manuals. You would find a proper T on a auto trans vehicle or an 81 or earlier model which did not have HH
Or just buy a t fitting with 10mm female flare.


The ea81s have a tee fitting for the drv rear and pass front. And the hh serves as the tee for the drv front and pass rear. Or something nutty like that. The auto and non hh ea81 cars have a 4 way junction and I kinda think the master cyl is different as the brakes look to be split front and rear.

Gloyale can you confirm that the fittings are m10x1 inverted flare? Befor he/we place an order wed like a confirmation.

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Posted 19 April 2015 - 01:05 PM

I know I removed a "T" fitting from both of the '86 BRAT's I parted out.

 

I know that the '82 BRAT had one "T" in it when I removed the "HH", it now has 2 "T" fittings.

 

Back when I was doing this, I considered replacing the Master Cylinder, as the Manuals have a 2-port one,  EA82 Auto's have a 4-port one.

Atleast the '88 GL10 Wagon Auto trans, we had did.



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Posted 19 April 2015 - 03:12 PM

The ea81s have a tee fitting for the drv rear and pass front. And the hh serves as the tee for the drv front and pass rear. Or something nutty like that. The auto and non hh ea81 cars have a 4 way junction and I kinda think the master cyl is different as the brakes look to be split front and rear.
Gloyale can you confirm that the fittings are m10x1 inverted flare? Befor he/we place an order wed like a confirmation.


The four way you speak of is really just 2 T in one block.

Still diagonal. Ea and all newer are dual diagonal.

You may be correct about ea81 also having t for non-HH circuit. Some of their masters have 2 ports out of that circuit while other have only one then T at block.

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Posted 19 April 2015 - 03:42 PM



Gloyale can you confirm that the fittings are m10x1 inverted flare? Befor he/we place an order wed like a confirmation.

 

 Not GLoyale here, but yes.

 

10M-1 double flare. Not to be confused with any vehicles what have the "Bubble" flare.

 

Double/inverted flare , >>==, bubble flare , <>==



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Posted 19 April 2015 - 07:58 PM

Edit: Or Tom :)

There are no ea81s at the local yard at this time. Im debating if I should order the above pictured part and install it. I really want to get the engine in but this job looks less frustrating with the engine out. My hill holder is not leaking its just unused, plus I recently replaced the master and bled the brakes. Wish I had more free time...

#21 Subarule

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Posted 19 April 2015 - 10:04 PM

I love my hill holder. One of the best car features ever.



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Posted 20 April 2015 - 06:27 AM

You could find the wreck of an automatic trans car, and swap the engine bay brake lines from that. The autos don't have a hill holder.

 

A lot more effort though.

BTW, how ugly can the holder be? Isn't it hidden beneath your brake booster & master cylinder & steering column? Think how ugly it looks when those items are on the other side of the car...






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