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#26 xbeerd

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 02:05 PM

yeah, 11" will NEVER fit, if you compressed it far enough to fit. you would probably have coils touching coils. LOL!

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 02:07 PM

I'm curious as to how they visually compare. Next time I'm at my parts store, I'll have them pull botht the 246 and 248 so I can see them. They love me at the parts store. :D

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 02:09 PM

be sure to take a picture if you do get a chance. i'd be interested too.

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 02:11 PM

now it still seems that the springs have not sagged at all. car still sits about the same height.

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 02:13 PM

Well, Oreilly and Autozone only carry the 248 in stock. Napa appears to have both, not Moog but their Napa brand. However the ratings are different. Everything being equal again, the automatic springs are Design Load of 524, and the manual's are Design Load 484. But the rest of the specs are identical, including free height, load height, number of coils, and coil diameter.

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 04:54 PM

Does anyone have the specs for the original EA82 front springs? I'm guessing they're about 4.5 to 4.75 inches inner diameter, 10 or 11 inches in length unsprung.

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 04:59 PM

I would say its closer to 5" I'd. Don't recall the unspring height. I think I had it in a thread on here where I was lookin for tempo spring install info

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 05:05 PM

They might be. I've got an unmounted front strut here in my lap, and the maximum outer diameter it could fit is exactly 5.5 inches. Considering the coil wire diameters is about half an inch, I figure we're looking at a minimum ID of 4.5, maximum ID of maybe 4.8 inch. Also, looking at the contact surface on the strut, any less than 4.5 inches would be too small and flop around.

Considering the Tempo front springs are only 4.375 ID, no wonder people found them to be too small.

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 05:06 PM

Also,

any less than 4.5 inches would be too small and flop around.


that's what she said. :brow:

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 05:11 PM

LOL!!! Well played sir!

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 05:18 PM

So I might have found a candidate. I can't find a nice list of springs, so I'm just going through Napa's website, entering random cars, checking their spring specs.

Behold:
2000 Ford Crown Victoria, rear coil springs
Coil spring inner diameter 4.54"
Spring Rate 163, wire diameter .593"
Free height 15.25"
Load height 11.5"

Only problem is that it has those pigtail ends. However, once you saw those off, you're gonna have a nice variable rate spring that might be just the right height. And since Crown Vics are cop cars, we might be able to find a lot of these used.

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 05:33 PM

Another decent candidate: 1993 Dodge Intrepid

Spring ID: 4.663"
Free height: 14"
Load height: 12"
Spring rate: 135
Wire diameter: .562

Not much load rate, but with some trimming it may increase. However, this ain't a variable rate spring, so this might serve as a decent OEM replacement.

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 05:36 PM

However, the next gen Intrepid, 1998-2004, might work very well.

Spring ID: 4.75"
Free Height: 12.9"
Load height: 10"
Load: 420
Spring Rate: 145
Wire diameter: .531"

No pigtail ends, either. Just one tangential end, one square.

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 06:04 PM

You know what's really damn funny? I've been posting in the wrong thread for the last few posts. I've been looking for what would work for front springs, as apparently the Ford Tempo springs don't actually fit.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 07:44 AM

haha! doh!

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 10:46 AM

Found an even BETTER deal on the CC248 springs: $36.24 shipped! And I confirmed with the seller that there are a pair of springs in the package, not just one. And he also has a bunch in stock, enough for most of us here. :D

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:16 AM

Also, I've been researching those Toyota 4runner front struts, and found a company called SenSen that makes a good quality part for a fraction of the price. Right now, you can get a PAIR of them for $70 shipped!

From what I've researched on SenSen and their APX line of performance suspension, everyone who has installed them was skeptical at first because of the insanely low price, but after using them for a few months, they said they handled just as good as KYB shocks, and seemed to be well built. Also, these have a lifetime warranty, which may come in handy for folks like us who will probably abuse them more than your average driver.

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 03:50 AM

I've been keeping my eye on this tread seeing as KYB stopped making 4x4 front struts for EA82 subarus. :banghead:

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 06:46 AM

Shouldn't you find my other thread about FRONT suspension? Haha kidding.

The 2wd has a lower spring seat right? I think any of the 11" or so options would work as a replacement with minimal modification. Unfortunately I don't have a set of 2wd strut to test it onr I'd grab a set of springs from the jy.

If I recall the spring install height on the 4wd is 8". So the 2wd would be about 2" taller (I thinkni read that somewhere 2" was the dif?)

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 07:37 AM

I've been keeping my eye on this tread seeing as KYB stopped making 4x4 front struts for EA82 subarus. :banghead:


Since when?

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 02:13 PM

Since when?


Some companies still have some in warehouse, but call KYB or try to order direct from them and they show as a discontinued part.

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 08:04 PM

That sucks. At least a lot of places still have some stockpiled. And you could always go with the cheapo OEM replacements. Wonder if SenSen makes one.

If worse comes to worse, then it'll be EJ knuckle/strut swaps for the lot of us. :D

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 02:19 AM

That sucks. At least a lot of places still have some stockpiled. And you could always go with the cheapo OEM replacements. Wonder if SenSen makes one.

If worse comes to worse, then it'll be EJ knuckle/strut swaps for the lot of us. :D


Yeah it just sucks its a sign of the times, soon EA82 stuff won't be available at all.

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 07:03 AM

Yeah it just sucks its a sign of the times, soon EA82 stuff won't be available at all.


Yep. Just a matter of time.

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 07:34 PM

Okay, so I just realized something. Stock EA82 rear struts have 6 inches of travel. These 4runner struts only have 4 inches of travel! wtf!

Have you guys who have done the swap noticed any problems from the decrease in travel? I imagine it would mostly hurt articulation.




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