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Fuel pump? Leaky o-ring? Other?


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Posted 27 June 2012 - 09:37 AM

never heard or seen what that is. i'd rather do as little playing around inside the tank as possible unless there is a very compelling reason.



see timberwolf's posts here;

http://www.subaruout...html#post433651

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 09:47 AM

pumps over heating when you put in gas it cools down change pump if was oring whould have low preshure through all ranges

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 08:29 AM

Ivans Imports - I'm hoping your diagnosis isn't correct from a $$ perspective, but it does seem to fit the symptoms. I've been failing in working out a plausible scenario where the o-ring would fail at lower gas levels.

Thanks - Jim

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 10:06 AM

the beck ardly pump i get from lordco is about 150 $ was not to bad

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Posted 01 July 2012 - 08:47 AM

Thanks for the info on the pump..$150 seems reasonable. So far the car is running well, but I haven't really exposed it to higher temps with low fuel.

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 03:11 PM

the beck ardly pump i get from lordco is about 150 $ was not to bad


got a link? I couldn't find it at B-A's website.

the Airtex and Bosch assemblies are twice that price fro RockAuto.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 04:10 PM

I do regular maintenance on the cars in April and Oct. so, one thing I did to day, was combine changing the fuel filter on the wife's 03 H6 OBW with installing a new , large-type cap and replacing the o-ring on the fuel pump.

here is another link to the youtube video with the best instructions; 2000 Subaru Outback Fuel Pump Assy - YouTube


a coupla notes on the above video;

I used a vacuum cleaner to police the area I was working to limit debris possibly getting in the tank.

Lower the windows/open the doors to reduce breathing fumes.

Be prepared for about 2-4 oz. of gasoline to come out of a coupla those hoses. If possible, thread a rag or 3-4 layers of paper towels under the hoses/cable before removing the hoses.

I used some twine to bundle the hoses and cable then threaded the twine up thru the driver's headrest post and pulled them up so they would be out of the way. Sorta replaced the use of the video author's wife's hands. Made it a one-man operation.

His fuel pump gasket came off with the pump. I didn't notice this before and had a more difficult time getting the pump out thru the gasket. So, make sure to free the gasket if it is stuck and carefully bring it out with the pump. Go slowly and carefully as it may be possible to break or bend something if you just 'horse' it outta there.

My original cap appears in great shape, the tabs do not appear to be cracked or bent. The o-ring was quite swollen however. I replaced the o-ring (lubed with a little oil) with the metric 928 Viton unit sent to me (thanx Dave L) and installed the new cap. I was careful not to rotate it too far as I think the 'bump/dimple' on the large tab is meant to stop the cap at the correct point. Forcing it farther would cause the bump to ride on top of the plastic lug and put outward force on the large tab.


so, still not sure if all these units are quite the 'ticking time bombs' I originally thought. The o-ring was definitely swollen so......



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Posted 07 April 2013 - 12:42 PM

I am of the ilk that think the swelling o-ring breaks the cap, so I would say you dodged this bullet...



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Posted 07 April 2013 - 11:20 PM

it was very swollen. I was surprised.

 

I may take the cap in to work to look under a scope but, it looked good.



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Posted 28 June 2014 - 11:25 PM

anyone have access to TSBs?

 

Service Bulletin #09-38-03 'may' be related to the fuel pump failures and offer some part numbers for sub-divided fuel pump assembly components. Might be  able to order a dealer cap or ???



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Posted 08 January 2015 - 02:01 PM

Thanks to all who contributed to this post!

 

So glad I found this post. Subie has been sitting for over a month as she hasn't wanted to start. Tested everything I could think of to no avail. There is literally nothing wrong, just wont start. Pulled my fuel pump yesterday and found the broken cap and o-ring of doom. Ordered new cap and o-rings. ($66 bucks on Amazon) Hope to have it running again tomorrow afternoon. Can't wait to drive my girl again!

 

Broken cap:


Edited by Beebs, 09 January 2015 - 04:38 PM.


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Posted 08 January 2015 - 02:05 PM

Beebs, do you mind posting the part numbers that you ordered? Or links to the parts?
It would be helpful for other people with this problem so they can find parts easier. Thanks!

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Posted 09 January 2015 - 12:11 PM

Beebs, do you mind posting the part numbers that you ordered? Or links to the parts?
It would be helpful for other people with this problem so they can find parts easier. Thanks!

Sure thing! 

 

Cap Part # W0133-1617990-NPN

Amazon Link - http://www.amazon.co...133-1617990-NPN

 

O-Ring Part # 928-7210

Amazon Link - http://www.amazon.co...6QFZFJNXPP9V4SD

Amazon states that these 2 parts are often purchased together and are a fit for 2000 OBW. We shall see in a few hours I hope.

 

Here are the part numbers on the packages:

O-rings

 

Fuel Filter/Cap


Edited by Beebs, 09 January 2015 - 04:39 PM.


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Posted 09 January 2015 - 04:37 PM

UPDATE!

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New cap and o-ring installed. She fired right up like there was nothing ever wrong!

 

It was definitely a chore to "screw" the new cap on, but with some careful holding and a pair of channel locks, on it went. 

 

Here's the new deeper cap on the fuel pump assembly:

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Edited by Beebs, 09 January 2015 - 04:41 PM.


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Posted 14 January 2015 - 12:12 AM

Awesome! Thanks for the part numbers and the size of the o-ring as well!

Amazon sells the o-rings in packs of 12 so you practically get a lifetime supply in one order!

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Posted 13 March 2015 - 09:20 AM

I pulled the fuel assembly and removed the cap to look at the o-ring. It looks to be in good condition to me, but it seems somewhat oversized (diameter, as though it has been stretched out, not the thickness of the o-ring) and I'm having a h*^ll of a time getting it back together. I'm thinking I may as well buy a new o-ring and install it. The video I watched made putting the cap back on over the o-ring look incredibly easy.

Does this seem indicative of needing a new o-ring?

Thanks,
Jim

 

 

This was posted by user "jgvmt". He accidently clicked the report link button instead of reply.

 

 

 

Had the O ring problem with our '03 H 6. One of the tabs on the cap was partially cracked so the O ring squeezed out. Took it to a machine shop and they brazed it for $17.

While I was waiting for the shop to do that, I went to the dealer and bought a new O ring (about $30) and the cap for the filter attached to the pump starting in '04 (about $60). It's fits perfectly on the bayonet mount of the '03 pump.
I didn't buy the filter (I think it requires an additional O ring and still have the engine compartment filter in place).Kept the brazed cap as a spare.






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