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Dumb Question? Loyale vs. GL (Wagons)?
Posted 14 September 2012 - 12:19 AM
Hey I'm still new here so excuse my ignorance, but what are the differences between the Loyale Wagons of the 80's and the GL wagons?
From the pics I've seen on here they look pretty much the same.
I started a thread on my 1987 GL Wagon a few weeks ago.
Was the Loyale a fancier option package or something?
Thanks for reading / answering my newbie question.
Posted 14 September 2012 - 12:36 AM
Posted 14 September 2012 - 02:31 AM
They are pretty much identical the biggest difference is loyales didnt come with the dual range transmission. The gl 85-89 and loyales90-94 same car.(aside from a few cosmetic and interior differences)
this is kinda my own opinion, but when they switched the name from GL to Loyale, I think they also bagged any of the nicer options you cold have gotten.
if I had to pick the best of the best, I'd go with an 88 or 89 GL wagon D/R 5 speed, I think that's about as good as they got, they were also fuel injected and not carbed which is a good thing as well
Edited by Stubies Subie, 14 September 2012 - 10:29 PM.
Posted 14 September 2012 - 10:13 AM
vollt meter oil pressure guage
carpeted door cards
grab handles on front interior doors
2nd interoir lights above the rear view mirror
power door locks.
3rd interior light in back of the car
steering wheel w/ subaru logo.
Loyale = Low Luxury
None of the above.
Posted 14 September 2012 - 10:23 AM
I've got PL, PW, PM, rear deck speakers, lumbar support, A/C... The driver's window is even one-touch down AND up. My 05 9-2x (impreza clone) didn't even have that!
Posted 14 September 2012 - 10:48 AM
Posted 14 September 2012 - 02:00 PM
FWIW, the 87 GL is supposed to be the worst Subaru GL/Loyale ever made which is why craigslist is full of them.
Ooooooh . . . . just my luck huh.
What exactly went wrong in 1987 for the GL? What should I look for / change on mine?
Posted 14 September 2012 - 02:52 PM
FWIW, the 87 GL is supposed to be the worst Subaru GL/Loyale ever made which is why craigslist is full of them. The Loyales have a slightly greater curvature to the side window glass than the GL's so don't swap glass from one for the other. The loyales rear coil spring/shocks were taller by 1 to 2 inches. They can be interchanged and make the GL's look a little sharper, especially the 85 & 86s. The Loyales have the automatic shoulder straps. The GL10's have an updated cylinder head upgrade available that are more resistant to leaking coolant from cracks between the intake and exhaust valves. Not true however, for the GL/Loyale SPFI cylinder heads. The Loyales get some pretty impressive gas mileage.
ummmm.....theres a few things wrong here. not that im offended, but spreading incorrectness is well, incorrect.
first: the glass on my gl and loyale are the same. as far as glass and body (unless its a 85, different mirrors/glass) goes, its the same. exactly the same.
second, where do ya get that 87s are bad?
third, the 1-2 inch discrepancy you speak of has to do with adjustable struts in the front in older models and settling over time. in the rear it can be attributed to a 2wd model which has 2" lower spring perches (as it sits), and again, settling.
forth: the re-vamped gl10 heads are turbo heads and have nothing to do with NA heads. there are however gen3 heads for NA motors that you can buy at the dealer but were never installed and sold in any showroom model.
fifth: the gas mileage will not differ just because of the badge on the door or steering wheel.
in short, its the same car. Loyales were subaru's way of using up all the EA parts they had leftover, think about it; legacys came out in 89, no reason to buy a gl loyale when theyre trying to sell legos.
Posted 14 September 2012 - 10:48 PM
the sliding shoulder belt thing I think was an option, because mine doesn't have it, (and I wouldn't want it)
I only got 1 dome light, it's right in the center, not fond of that option either.
got cheesy wheels and hubcaps.
I don't particularly care for the seats either but ya get what ya get.
I think where the GL or loyale hits the mark is that it's economical to own no matter what year it is.
parts are cheap and plentiful, (that will change over time)
there's nothing on the car that's hard to fix
they get great fuel millage as compared to other 4x4's, I average about 32MPG on the highway
being a 4x4, they will follow other 4x4's an amazing distance
I consider it a throw away car, when your done killing it, go get another one and start over.
I had a Jeep before this, I like 32 mpg a lot better then 15 mpg, the subaru, being older, breaks down less often then the jeep did, and there was nothing on the jeep that was cheap to fix.
Posted 14 September 2012 - 10:57 PM
They may be the worst, but the fact that they are 27 years old, and "craigslist is full of them" says a lot about how good they are compared to the rest of the cars available. How many 27 year old Corollas are out there?
Posted 14 September 2012 - 11:37 PM
To answer the OP Question, I'd take an 87-89 GL over a Loyale, mainly the 88-89 range. From what I've read the 87' GL's got stock engine and interior upgrades that were more refined in the 88-89's, but dropped on the Loyales.
Posted 15 September 2012 - 01:26 AM
Posted 15 September 2012 - 01:39 AM
It was renamed the Loyale when they came out with the Legacy. Since it was the low cost alternative to the Legacy it's often found in a more stripped form than the earlier GL10's. When the Impreza came out in 93, it took over the entry level price point so the Loyale was discontinued the next year.
There are no "good" or "bad" years for them, all options were available pretty much from the start so its about finding the car with the right options to make it work for you.
My Loyale had power windows, locks, a/c, rear wiper, fuel injected and a fully equipped dash. My dads GL had crank windows, no a/c, and a carb. So much for luxury compared to the loyale. I took the dual range 4x4 transmission out of his and bolted it in where my pushbutton 4x4 was to make the best of both cars.
The Loyales are also wired for any of the deleted options. The plug for the maplights is there under the left side of the dash. The bracket for it is under the headliner, you just have to cut the hole. The wiring for the rear door speakers is there.
Posted 15 September 2012 - 02:56 AM
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