1 Lucky Texan Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 any good threads, DIY guides? I THINK I once was in a thread that mentioned changing them out may have gotten easier in 'later' model cars. I was doing some 6 month maintnance and discoved my left rear wheel moves about 1 or 2 millimeters in all directions. I was susupicu=ious I had a new noise back there, found it. dang! I am not gonna buy a hub tamer or other expensive specialized gear - so, i may take it to my dealer. just kinda like to confirm how hard/easy it might be since I'm off work for a coupla more days. (kinda disappointed , I also found a split boot on my wife's outback. sigh....) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edrach Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 That's one job that I would leave to a professional shop. Either that or hit the junkyards until I found a hub with decent bearings and just replace the whole thing and hope for the best. By the way, which model are you talking about here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torxxx Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 unbolt the hub, install new hub They should be a bolt on hub after 2004 I'm about to go back to my shop, I'll crawl under my 06 Legacy and double check Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caboobaroo Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 (edited) unbolt the hub, install new hub They should be a bolt on hub after 2004 I'm about to go back to my shop, I'll crawl under my 06 Legacy and double check Not quite..... The Forester, Impreza, WRX and STi had press in wheel bearings front and rear until 2008 when they became bolt in all around. Legacys starting in 2000 had bolt in rear wheel bearings and in 2005, the fronts became bolt in as well. Even though 2005 Legacy rear bearing assemblies look the same as the 00-04, they are not. The '05 and newer have the ABS tone ring built into the bearing where the older style has the tone ring on the axle still and putting an olr style into a newer car will damage the ABS sensor! Almost made that mistake when I got the wrong one close to bolted in. Now it would be something I would have someone at least press out and in the bearing but removing the knuckle isn't too difficult. Remember where the parking brake hardware goes and you should be all right. Oh and buy an Empi boot kit and reboot the axle. I think they retail right around $30/joint and yes, it's a messy job but fairly simple. Hope that helps! Edited October 9, 2012 by Caboobaroo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torxxx Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 ahhh gotcha, I'm strictly a legacy guy lol which is why I figured they were all hub style... Wonder why Subaru did it that way? Hub seems like a lot better/simpler idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnW Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 Its hit or miss. The bolt in doesn't seem to last as long but the press style is more work to replace. Personally, I own a hub tamer and would rather own a car with press style but would rather get paid to replace bolt in style ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 Lucky Texan Posted October 9, 2012 Author Share Posted October 9, 2012 I tried to interpret the drawings at opposedforces . Looks like a sliding hammer, then an outer seal, a bearing, 2 inner seals - maybe a snap rin or 2. NOTHING there looks like any kinda bolt in unit. ugh also discovered a broken fornt anti-sway bar link. That problem explains the car 'porpoising' in fsat tight sweeping turns. Stupid plasic suspension part! My cars are starting to fall apart. The WRX has under 42K miles! Rear wheel bearing, broken ASB link - seriously? any pics or guides for the knuckle removal? might save a little if I just haul that down to the dealership for repair. with my wife recovering from her knee surgery, at least we don't have a pressing need for both cars, but it's hard to spend as much time with the cars due to housework, nursing the wife, etc. And I'm supposed to go back to work on Thursday. ugh didn't get everything done i wanted - PLUS found more work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avk Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 (edited) ahhh gotcha, I'm strictly a legacy guy lol which is why I figured they were all hub style... Wonder why Subaru did it that way? Hub seems like a lot better/simpler idea They were late to change the design for some reason. Probably because all models basically had the same suspension and drivetrain, and they were leaving good enough alone. Edited October 9, 2012 by avk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 Lucky Texan Posted October 9, 2012 Author Share Posted October 9, 2012 I'll look tomorrowbut, just for clarity, this pic is what the newer legacies have, but I do not (correct ? )on my 06 Impreza; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnW Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 Yes, that shows the bolt in style and you must have the press in ones. Be happy I think once you replace that bearing you won't ever again. I always use NTN or KOYO brand ones if I can get them. I believe they are are the OEM. There are 3 seals btw, 2 inners and 1 outer. I get a "kit" for about $75. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 Lucky Texan Posted October 9, 2012 Author Share Posted October 9, 2012 (edited) Yes, that shows the bolt in style and you must have the press in ones. Be happy I think once you replace that bearing you won't ever again. I always use NTN brand ones if I can get them. I believe they are are the OEM. Thanx, whether I drive in or take the knuckle, I will confirm with the shop NTN bearing and OEM seals. do most shops remove the knuckle for this or do the repair on the car? That is, would I really be saving much money by taking the knuckle in? Edited October 9, 2012 by 1 Lucky Texan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caboobaroo Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Yes, that shows the bolt in style and you must have the press in ones. Be happy I think once you replace that bearing you won't ever again. I always use NTN or KOYO brand ones if I can get them. I believe they are are the OEM. There are 3 seals btw, 2 inners and 1 outer. I get a "kit" for about $75. Sounds like a similar kit I use as well! Thanx, whether I drive in or take the knuckle, I will confirm with the shop NTN bearing and OEM seals. do most shops remove the knuckle for this or do the repair on the car? That is, would I really be saving much money by taking the knuckle in? You don't need to if you have a hub tamer but since I do not, I always remove the knuckle and use a floor press... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 Lucky Texan Posted October 10, 2012 Author Share Posted October 10, 2012 I'm not happy, but I made an appointment with the dealership to get the bearing and a coupla other things done. I was assured they will use OEM parts and this way, i get a warranty and hopefully an experienced person on the job. Tools to do this myself would have cost 1.5 or more labor hours. And I might only use them onec or twice. I didn't check if they can be rented/borrowed. Plus, it's unknown territory for me. At least they will give me loaner car and will probably do in hours what would take me 2 days lol! wish I had tha HBA deal in this car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 Lucky Texan Posted October 17, 2012 Author Share Posted October 17, 2012 dealership is charging $529 It's a lot of money, but probably fair. I would need 150-$200 of tools from harbor Freight to DIY it. Throw in that is before the 90-$100 parts w'ever. And I might screw it up - yeah, I'll let them do it. On the plus side, they said my 06 doesn't have the same problem with the turbo banjo bolt screen as the previous years. Downside, they found a small split on the inner DS axle boot. I might try re-booting it myself, but those boot bands, ugh, what kinda tool tightens/secures those thing? RockAuto sells a raybestos boot kit for about $10; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avk Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 (edited) http://www.amazon.com/Lisle-30800-Boot-Clamp-Pliers/dp/B0002SREPY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1350484130&sr=8-1 I currently have a cheaper 30600 pliers that work from the side, but 30800 is much sturdier (saw it in a store) and has a cam to flatten the pinched ear. Also use snap ring pliers. Edited October 17, 2012 by avk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 Lucky Texan Posted October 17, 2012 Author Share Posted October 17, 2012 http://www.amazon.com/Lisle-30800-Boot-Clamp-Pliers/dp/B0002SREPY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1350484130&sr=8-1 I currently have a cheaper 30600 pliers that work from the side, but 30800 is much sturdier (saw it in a store) and has a cam to flatten the pinched ear. Also use snap ring pliers. thanx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caboobaroo Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 In order to do the axle reboot, you will need to drain the transmission as it will puke gear oil out of the axle seal once the axle is removed. Since its an inner boot, its fairly easy once the axle is out. Remove the old band clamps, just inside the inner axle cup is a wire snap ring that you can use a small flathead screwdriver to remove. Do not throw it out as you'll need it to put back together. It is there to prevent the joint from coming out of the cup. Then remove the snap ring right on top of the axle shaft that holds the inner portion of the joint onto the shaft, remove the boot and install the new one. I think you can rent axle boot clamp tools as well. The nice thing about the Empi kits is the clamps are fairly easy to pinch together whereas the factory clamps are a bear... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unibrook Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 PM sent re my step-by-step guide on wheel bearing replacement in your driveway. (many thx to Hohieu btw) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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