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I have a line runnin from the front of the carb that is about 6 inches long that goes to nothing. The place where the tube connects onto the carb is near to this hexagonal prism with a wire coming from it that screws into the carb. And is possioned on the front of the carb(closest to the radator) and rather high up on it. When I put my finger over the tube when the car is running it increases its idle by about 100-150 rmp. I also blew into the tube and could hear a hissing sound from inside the carb (i think).

 

Could anyone tell what this line mite do or way to find out? Any help would be great.

 

And I could take a photo tomorow if that would help identify it.

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I looked in the 84 FSM, and it shows 2 lines in front and both are vacume lines. Try hooking it up to the intake manifold. Maybe look around for a open port on the intake manifold. If it doesnt run good, it may have to go to the air cleaner. There are a couple of fitting on the underside of the aircleaner base that have lines from the carb/manifold. The book has 4 to 5 different applications for the US market.

The hexagon shaped object is the anti-dieseling switch.

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That line is supposed to connect to a GREEN T-fitting just like the one pictured at the top of the pic. There are two of those. It connects to the mid port on the T and one of the cross ports is capped off. The other T fitting hase both cross ports connected to medium/large hoses and the mid port is connected to the small hose from the air cleaner Idle Compensator (valve on right side of air cleaner as you look at it from front of engine). Went outside and looked at my 86 EA81 Brat.

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Aldoat on mine both the green t pieces are on tubes that goto air control valve, one t peice is complety blocked (one in pic u refered to) cept the line running to air control valve and the other runs from carbi to air control valve with the extra fitting blocked. This seems to be a little diff from what u described as none of em goto the air cleaner valve. Yeh the air preheat has removed cause its never cold enough here if this has anything to do wif it.

 

Should i plug this line on the carb or is it not doing any harm leaving it in the open air?

 

You have goto love previous owners :banghead:

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OK, wasn't able to get pics but that line goes to a T-connector that also runs to the black vac valve that sits over the driver side Air suction Valve. It's all part of the emmissions system. Cap it off if you don't have to worry about passing emmissions/under hood inspection. I have emmissions testing here in NJ so I still have everything hooked up.

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The charcoal canister's retun into the intake manifold?

Technically known as the purge line. Not sure if that's the one, but it's certainly part of that system. There's a thermo-vacuum valve in there somewhere that won't allow the gasses from the evap can to get out till the engine reaches operating temp, thus all the nasty routing of vac lines, and crap going everywhere. You can figure it all out in your head if you stare at it long enough. Basically, you have three vent lines - on from the gas tank, one from the float bowl, and one from the "vapor seperator" on the front fuel filter. These all go into the evap can, and get trapped there when the car is sitting in a hot parking lot. Once the engine is started, and warmed up, the thermo-vacuum valve(s) open, and let the vapor back into the intake to be burnt.....

 

Basically it's all bullsh!z - just pull out the charcoal canistor too, and get rid of all those silly hard lines that go with it. Leave the gas tank vented to the air, and route the float bowl vent to the air filter houseing. Remove that silly expensive fuel filter with it's fancy vapor seperator and replace it with a $1.49 clear model from the parts counter. And guess what - it won't impact your emmissions test in the slightest. If you do a good job, they will never know you removed anything, and none of this can be detected with a tail-pipe test....

 

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Sweet - just rip it all out then. Basically, you can plug off the Air injection valves with quarters (US currency - maybe you have somethign that size? hehe). And the rest can go away. All you have to leave on the carb, is fuel inlet and return lines, the bowl vent line, and the vacuum lines for the ERG valve, the vac advance on the disty, and the secondary barrel and or choke pull-off if you have them. Plug EVERYTHING else, and you'll be good.

 

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Is the egr valve under the alternator cause i have never seen one cept a black and white photo in manual.

EGR is on the back of the manifold - right behind the carb - it's a big 3" metal canistor with a vacuum line running into it. It's gold in color usually. HINT: use NEW soft vacuum line to run to both the EGR, and the disty vac advance - the hard lines used to connect everything are suspect since they run into all the other places that vacuum is supposed to go...... places you are disconnecting. Useing them is just asking for a leak.

 

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the hard lines used to connect everything are suspect since they run into all the other places that vacuum is supposed to go......

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So i should use one of the vacant vac ports ontop of the inlet manifold similar to the brake booster but smaller for the distrib. and egr?

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No - the disty and EGR both have special ports near the bottom of the front of the carb (right above the pinned-off idle mixture screw). They go into the maze of hard lines right now - you will re-route them. And it does matter which ones goes where - but I can't recall at the moment which is which. A little experimentation and you should be able to figure it out tho.

 

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When I de'emission will I need to remove the 3 port thermal vaccum, two port thermal vaccum valve, the air control valve and the vavuum valve completely? Or can I leave these in untill I get the time to remove them? Also I never have never heard weather to remove the coasting bypass of leave it in.

 

Abither Q: the vapour seperatour from the front fuel filter is t`ed onto the fuel return line which then goes thru the firewall. Did not you say that that line should be t`ed onto the fuel tank vapour line?

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