I have a 1999 LS or LSi wagon that's really nice and has the EJ22. Might want to see if you can find any of those if he wants a wagon?
I located a nice 1996 Outback, about 120K, Super clean, babied and well maintained car for $2700. No issues. Is that too high? (Texas car...no rust)
i guess it's an automatic? if it's a manual it's the only Outback ever offered with the EJ22 - 1996 MT OBW's.
that is a fine price,sounds really nice for one with zero rust. that would be a really good price for a well maintained, great condition one in the Subaru rich northeast or out west.
[LIST][*]If the head gaskets fail on these, about how many miles?
it is random, any number given is only an average containing all possible mileages so it's anecdotal and meaningless for purchasing. there is no mileage "where it tends to happen". there's more statistical analysis and comments but suffice it to say you'll see numbers tossed around - "120,000 miles" and what that means is that's the mileage most of them, in good shape, worth fixing, tend to have right now. it's not really indicative of when a headgasket will actually fail.
[LIST][*]Do they all fail eventually? What is the failure rate?
not all. i don't know of a quantitative number. someone who has owned a Dodge neon would guess 25%, someone who has owned a 1995 EJ22 would guess 95%. LOL
In general, what vehicle is more likely to end up on the used market?:
1. A perfectly running vehicle with no issues
2. One with ominous signs of looming issues
Every week EJ25's are hitting the used market with the first signs of headgasket issues. Common thread starter on Subaru boards: "I got this Subaru because I thought they were reliable and a week later it's overheating"...there's one on subaruoutback.org right now and that's failure regular.
First step is to make sure you're not getting that high percentage of used market that's hitting the market due to this issue.
[LIST][*]If you replace the head gaskets with the new version gasket, is it all good, or is there still a reliability problem?
I have relied on the newer gasket but my limited experience falls wwwaaayyyy short of the millions of older gaskets that have been around for over a decade.
[LIST][*]Would any of you still consider buying one of these?
to put an EJ18 or EJ22 in it. they're good though, just personal preference, try it out and see what happens. it's just a car and just a gasket.? my hang up for the EJ25D is the complete random nature of the overheating episodes. this detracts from ownership in two significant ways for me:
1. reliability. don't want to (or my wife) to get stranded. when the EJ25D starts to overheat it is random and can not be mitigated. in the past few years i have driven to colorado, maine, new orleans 3 times, florida, missouri, south georgia...almost ten 2,000+ mile road trips, and shorter distances often, so I'm a bit picky. No engine break downs and those Soobs all had 150k+ or more.
2. lower end issues. they occasionally loose rod bearings and i have always assumed it was due to prior overheating, the random nature and not being able to drive without it overheating lends itself to folks trying to "limp it home" since nothing else will work. some with blown motors i have gotten have already had the headgaskets replaced prior...not a huge sample size and could mean other things...but either way it's a concern.
ideally you get an EJ25 that has never had headgaskets replaced, then you have a strong case for suggesting the block has never been compromised.
I have done the following. Pull the perfectly good EJ25 in it now....then buy an EJ22 and install it. you can probably pay the mechanic and make money on the deal...and end up with a better motor.
A friend bought a 98 outback, EJ25D, last year...this summer the headgasket blew, he had it less than a year. The motor is sitting in my office right now. i picked up an EJ22 for $300 (there were cheaper ones, i went low mileage) and installed new timing gear, seals, etc and gave it to him. by the time i sell the EJ25 he won't be that far in and might even break even.
Edited by grossgary, 20 December 2012 - 08:10 AM.