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90' Loyale/6 build
Posted 13 January 2013 - 12:42 PM
yes, there are better options than the ER27 but i have it, it runs great and doesn't cost me any money
so anywho, beginning with a thoroughly inspected Loyale
then i ripped out its guts
relocated the radiator
cut a hole in the hood for super JDM awsome scoopage
made up a bumper
THEN, on the weekend the major swap work was to begin I caught the flu, so I'm sitting in bed making this post.
plans are to lift it and run 205/75/15 General Grabber AT2 on VW steel rims
eventually fit the xt6 electric steering (currently going to run my DL manual rack)
still not sure what strut setup i need to run to clear the tires...
Posted 13 January 2013 - 12:47 PM
Posted 13 January 2013 - 03:01 PM
Hopefully I can get over this and back to work quickly.
Posted 14 January 2013 - 04:56 AM
Looking forward to the ER27 swap. Thought about it myself for the '88 Wagon, as I have 2 of those engines sitting in the garage, and 1 harness mostly stripped down.
Also considered the cybrid steering system. Don't have the sensor for the steering column anymore, but I've read that it's not really needed. Don't know for sure on that.
Posted 15 January 2013 - 10:34 AM
actually had a question for you Tom, i read in your thread(good work btw) the xt6 engine crossmember has the engine mounts further forward, would you suggest using the xt6 crossmember for the er27 or the stock ea one?
got out to change out the pedal box, man that was a poor decision! felt dizzy and shakey after 5 mins. however do i need to drop the steering column to get the box out?
should of put this in the first post but here's the plan:
starting with a 90 Loyale, SPFI, 3eat, 2wd. adding:
er27 powered, FT4wd, 5 lug. either OBS struts or BOSS 2" lift if the struts will clear the tires. WRX front seats, XT headlights(no not pop ups)
Eventualy: Cyrbrid steering, working a/c, upgraded lighting, more that i'm sure i'll come up with.
basically I want a useful surfwagon that I can go trail riding, carry parts etc etc.
Edited by rpholz, 15 January 2013 - 12:42 PM.
Posted 15 January 2013 - 12:02 PM
Posted 15 January 2013 - 12:50 PM
Posted 15 January 2013 - 02:22 PM
would you suggest using the xt6 crossmember for the er27 or the stock ea one?
There's a good chance that it wouldn't be a simple swap. I have measured and compared a standard EA82 (Loyale) one to an XT6 one. The XT6 ones are bigger (front to back).
For example, the distance between the control arm mounts and sway bar mounts is more (which is why an XT6 sway bar will rub on the control arms in an EA82). Also the jacking plate is longer. So I would bet that the 2 bolts that hold the crossmember to the frame are further apart.
I'm sure it's swappable, but don't expect an easy bolt-in project. There will likely be some modification, that will effect the suspension geometry and engine fitment.
Posted 15 January 2013 - 03:15 PM
Yea that would be bad as my measurements and rad support modification is based of the loyales, engine mount points, it would suck to have all that work thrown out the window, looks like ill be doing a standard 5 lug swap with the ER fitted to the crossmember that's already in there.
Guess I can go ahead and fit my DL steering rack to the car and go from there.
Hopefully work will resume this Sunday as I get a 3 day weekend.
And thanks for a heads up on the steering column guys. This swap would be easier if the XT6 wasn't my daily driver. I have the motorcycle and work van for when it does go down was just hoping to start it while it was still 70-80 degrees outside...
Posted 15 January 2013 - 05:02 PM
Posted 15 January 2013 - 05:11 PM
Simplicity is key
Posted 15 January 2013 - 06:13 PM
Don't know if the EA82 mounts will fit the ER27, or if they'd last long if they do fit
There's 2 dimples in the ER27's crossmember. Drill thru those and you have the proper holes for mounting it in an EA82 body. Rear holes are the same location on both.
After drilling the 2 holes, I mounted the entire XT6 front suspension under the Wagon. Everything bolted in as it should with the added holes.
Strut-rod brackets bolted right in as they should. That tells me that the knuckles would be where they should be.
I have the XT6 front swaybar mounted to the EA82 crossmember. Haven't noticed any rubbing, yet.
I had to redo the previous work done to the strut-top mounting area, but you shouldn't have any issue there. I used a spare EA82 strut-top for proper pattern of bolt holes, XT6 strut-tops bolted right in.
I used the XT6 coupler to connect the Wagon's column to the XT6 rack. Which is currently juiced by the EA82 PS pump running ATF for fluid.
XT6 rack fits the EA82 crossmember with no issues. But you need to use the EA82 PS lines that run across the crossmember. Haven't actually measured anything, but I'm thinking the XT6 ones would be way close to the oilpan if used on an EA82 crossmember. But that's running them with the EA82 engine also.
I had to open the bolt holes in the EA82 crossmember for the lower control arms so the bolt for the XT6 LCA's would fit. I moved the hole down slightly also. The top edge of the new hole is still the top edge of the old hole.
Wasn't easy to do laying under the Wagon either....
Edited by TomRhere, 15 January 2013 - 06:19 PM.
Posted 16 January 2013 - 08:24 AM
If so I wouldn't mind figuring out how to use a ea or ej mount instead as I have about a million of each so even if it did break I'd have more.
The Cybrid steering is for down the road. So p/s lines and such aren't a concern at the moment. (I'd like to figure out how to fit a condenser and associated a/c parts first)
As far as struts I had planned on xt6 spring/top hat coupled with whatever strut be it OBS or forester etc etc.
Rears are 4wd wagon springs on new oem 2wd struts. At least I think they are 2wd/ does anyone have a measurement from spring perch to the bottom? All my cars and ones I've bought have had identical rear struts so I'm not sure length vs if its 2 or 4wd
Posted 18 January 2013 - 04:33 PM
Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:58 PM
Does anyone have a few tricks to fitting 02 WRX seats to a loyale body?
It's been done. Not by me. I know Monstaru and a few others have done it. if you can't find it in a search, check with one of those guys.
Posted 18 January 2013 - 06:08 PM
I find myself searching for one thing and then 15 mins later on something totally different, last night I went from JacksonRally's WRX to WJMs front LSD thread.
Posted 21 January 2013 - 08:35 PM
so the Loyale, i've given it to my friends girlfriend. it's going to recieve an EA82 and 5speed manual, DL manual rack and yada yada...
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