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86 body vs 87 body (GL wagon)


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#1 noahkort

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 02:36 PM

Been fliping through images of 86 and 87 GL wagons.  Bodies are looking pretty simliar.

 

Anyone know how swappable body parts are from say an 86 GL-10 to an 87 GL?

 

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Edited by noahkort, 09 May 2013 - 03:33 PM.


#2 rdweninger

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 03:38 PM

Same body, same engine EA82... if not turbo.
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Posted 09 May 2013 - 07:46 PM

Body parts are swappable, but there are differences.

 

The trans tunnel in an 87 is wider, designed for the 4eat, and will accommodate swaps from xt6 trans mounts. the 86 body is too narrow and thus a custom piece will have to be made.

 

87 is a transitional year with 88 and up style harness and body, but 85-86 style plugs and other miscellany. some 87's were carb and most spfi. 86 gl-10 were spfi with a breather hose going to the airbox.

 

85 and 86 wagons and sedans have defroster vents for the rear passenger door windows. these were eliminated in 87 and up.

 

1987 is the last year that the full line of subaru ea bodies were available at the same time with the wagon, the sedan, the 2nd year of the 3-door, the xt, the hatchback, and the last year of the brat.

 

87 is the first year for the smaller amber lens on the font corner lights. First year for straight bar grille on wagon and sedan. 

 

The loyale is identical to 88 and up. but the rear window quarter glass has a slightly different trim. I believe the windows are glued on, where the prior years was rubber gasket. maybe i am confusing this with ea81's

 

for mpfi, 86 marked the end of flapper MAF and mechanical disty with external knock control, and introduced optical disty and hotwire MAF. The pigtail on 87 only is like the 88 design, but has the 86 style connector. The 85-86 mpfi schematic is very similar to 83-84 ea81t. Spfi had the mechanical disty in 86, and this had the round plug thru 87, and went to the square plug in 88 and up.



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Posted 09 May 2013 - 08:29 PM

Show-off.



#5 MilesFox

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 08:49 PM

Show-off

The question was asked.

 

there are differences in brake calipers as well between 85-86 and 87 up. the bracket that holds the parking brake varies. one version has 2 bolts, and the other version has 1 bolt with a dowel pin. i can't remember which way this goes, though. 

 

one more...

85-86 had orage display and 87 and up have green display. 

 

Personally, i am quite fond of bot the 86 and 87 model years, and 87 would be the average year of all the cars i've had



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Posted 09 May 2013 - 10:35 PM

Openable side glass curvature changed slightly between the 86 and the loyale.  The curve is sharper in the loyale, which would tend to imply that there was slightly more curvature in the door frames and then the body.



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Posted 10 May 2013 - 10:26 AM

Openable side glass curvature changed slightly between the 86 and the loyale.  The curve is sharper in the loyale, which would tend to imply that there was slightly more curvature in the door frames and then the body.


86 and up door glass is all the same.

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 10:52 AM

86 and up door glass is all the same. 

The numbers on the glass do not absolutely mean that the glass panels are the same from year to year.  Perhaps Subaru went with a different supplier with the later years, who may have fudged the specifications. 

 

Despite being warned from a Subaru mechanic that the glass panels are different between the 86's and the loyales, I personally installed loyale side door glass on my 86 wagon.  I then experienced annoying whistling coming from the edges of the glass that were unsealed, while travelling at highway speeds.  I then removed the glass and actually measured the glass curvature at the trailing edge.  Since I had saved my original 86 side door glass that I had previously removed, I also measured the glass curvature on that piece at the same location.  As I recall,  the loyale had a noticieable and measurable increased curvature.  That is my test results, as well as the field results of my installation. 

 

I then chose to polish up my original glass and reinstall it.  I experienced no annoying whistling with the original side door glass.


Edited by scoobiedubie, 10 May 2013 - 10:54 AM.


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Posted 10 May 2013 - 07:45 PM

i can't remember which way this goes, though.


My 87 has 1 bolt.
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Posted 10 May 2013 - 09:34 PM

86 and up door glass is all the same.

because 85 had sill mpunted mirrors, so there is glass whre  the 86 and up mirror would be.

 

I forgot to mention the placement of fixtures on the dashboard. 85-86 has the wopers where the fan knob would be on an 87 and up. the fan knob on the 95-86 is a blank plate on 87 and up. 85-86 have the headlights on a knob on the dahs, 87 and up have them on the turn stalk. there is o wiper stalk on 85-86.



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Posted 10 May 2013 - 09:44 PM

One more....

 

the side trim on the 85-86 bodies are glued on with flat sheetmetal behind them. 87 and later have the trim secured by plastic clips that clip into holes stamped into the sheet metal.



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Posted 12 May 2013 - 11:03 AM

because 85 had sill mpunted mirrors, so there is glass whre  the 86 and up mirror would be...

 

Yes, Earlier models' Mirrors are Different.

 

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 06:03 PM

Good information on the body subject.   How do you remember all that, MilesFox?

For some reason, whenever I find a good deal on a Subie, it's always an '85 Wagon.

I have 4 of them.   I had to name them so friends and relatives would know which one I was talking about.

It's easy to remember, though... Rojo, Blanco, Negro and Parts Car (it's Red also).

If I get another one with a different color, I could probably consider myself bi-lingual... huh?  :blink:  



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Posted 13 May 2013 - 06:29 PM

The 1987+ stock bumpers are solid and a lot stronger than the 1985 / 1986. Later years (1990+? wagons only?) have shoulder belts for the rear seats that may be transplantable into earlier years too... 



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Posted 13 May 2013 - 10:58 PM

The 1987+ stock bumpers are solid and a lot stronger than the 1985 / 1986. Later years (1990+? wagons only?) have shoulder belts for the rear seats that may be transplantable into earlier years too... 

The loyale for 91 and up had the automatic belts and the high center console to conform to SRS standards for USDM. The 90 loyale had a regular seat belt. The legacy had SRS automatic seat belts and a driver side airbag. The auto seatbelt was there to serve as SRS for the passenger. Unlike a 91 plymouth duster that had an airbag on the driver side with manual belt, and an auto belt on the passenger side only. In 2nd gen legacy, the auto belts were dropped for dual air bags.



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Posted 13 May 2013 - 11:00 PM

Good information on the body subject.   How do you remember all that, MilesFox?

I have had all of these years and if you average them out it would be 1987. 1986 qnd 1987 would be the most common years ,from some 30 ea subarus I have had and ones i have gotten dirty with. This is all firsthand knowledge.


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Posted 14 May 2013 - 04:10 PM

I wish I had been 'collecting' Subies for the past 20 years.    I've owned my original '85 wagon since 1993.   Then about a year ago, I bought an '85 wagon to fix up and teach my 16 year old boy.   Then another '85 wagon for my 15 year old daughter.   Then an '85 parts car wagon.   Then couldn't resist when I saw the '83 Hatchie (that's mine).  It's gold colored, but I don't know the Spanish word for gold.

This weekend, I bought a '92 SVX... Pearl White.   It was a garage queen for all it's life.

  I swear... it IS a sickness.    No cure, though.



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Posted 14 May 2013 - 08:00 PM

spanish for gold s 'oro', and for sliver is 'plata'. Sorry i can't take credit for that since i just looked it up. 



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Posted 15 May 2013 - 06:11 PM

Who knew you could learn Spanish on a Subaru forum.  The information you get here is oro!

Thinking about naming the Hatchie,  Hank... or maybe Butch.   Got his valves adjusted last weekend... ALOT quieter now.






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