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Ea71 with HLAS and points?


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#1 mikaleda

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 07:03 PM

I just got around to looking at my new engine trans for my 80, I've got it pulled and I've started cleaning it up a bit and checking it out. I know for a fact all 80's subarus had electronic ignition, but this one has a dusty with points, it also says "do not adjust valve clearance" on the valve covers, but it has a typical 80 intake and carb. I'm just curious to what is year this block might be? I think the points disty may have been because of the original disty failing And maybe its a newer engine that they put the 80 intake on? I'm just curious to if they even made a HLA ea71? This came out of an 80 hatch 4wd
Is it possible this is a JDM motor? This engine is identical to my original in my 80 other than the disty and the valve covers.

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Posted 11 May 2013 - 01:28 AM

Engine code in casting should be there no matter which country of origin. Sounds like a JDM. They were always a couple years ahead of the US market back then with advancements. Let us know what that casting tag looks like ,please. Curious if there's a line under the EA71 or something else different. For kicks , could you see if you can locate the engine serial number? Might help others with recognizing a JDM in the future.

 

Probably someone else here has some early JDM experience but not me. I'd be very curious to see what we "could have had". Like the twin carbs , etc. etc. .... 4WD 1970's sedans .....all in Japan and a few other places. Not here.

 

Still seems funny to have points ignition. Is there a computer in there? I can't recall points being mixed with a brain before. Maybe an early 80's STD model with a 1600.....but not many or any others I can recall.



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Posted 11 May 2013 - 09:34 AM

31B85AC0-7487-4EB5-9977-422F3153010D-401
AB578B1C-9B4A-40C9-ABEC-8AE15E15E472-401
7E6740F1-2CDF-4B75-A273-E0EB5825A3CE-401
3A808F41-EB8D-4F5A-AF38-C07B4DEAA2AB-401
The code below ea71 is 316653 I don't know if that's the engine serial number, but its the only one I could find.

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Posted 11 May 2013 - 11:31 AM

There seem to be some references to the EA71 being made until around 1994.

 

From what I understand, on EA81 engines the pushrods are different material/construction for the Hydro motors; you could pull a valve cover take a look.

 

 

Also, references were made to JDM EA71s here:

http://www.ultimates...on/#entry178363


Edited by NorthWet, 11 May 2013 - 11:37 AM.


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Posted 11 May 2013 - 08:27 PM

Hmmmm... This adds to the mysterie, I suspect this is a JDM motor, I know that 85 was the first year of HLAs in the u.s. and I believe northwet is right that 84 is the last year of the 1600 in the u.s.
I'm going to have to do some more reasearch on this, does anyone know where I could find out ea engine specs from the JDM?

I don't want to pull the valve covers, but I really would like to know whether this acctually has HLAs or not, luckily I just got a job at a mechanics shop and I can probably get parts through them.

Edited by mikaleda, 11 May 2013 - 08:29 PM.


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Posted 12 May 2013 - 08:47 AM

I had a 2wd 86 standard hatch as a parts car a few years ago, otherwise was an ea71 car, but I didn't pay much attention to details on it

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 09:29 AM

I'll have to check my chilitons and see what it says.

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 09:43 AM

That's cute...   trusting Chilton's... :popcorn:



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Posted 12 May 2013 - 09:48 AM

That's cute...   trusting Chilton's... :popcorn:


I'm not saying I trust them, just that they have a general idea of when the 1600s were made, also this isn't a DIY chilitons its an import shop Manuel, it doesn't have much info, but it does show engines that came with certain models and years.

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 10:01 AM

According to chilitons 87 2door hatch (std) was the last year for the ea71. I'm not saying that has to be because chilitons says so, but from the responses I can assume that it is corect that the u.s. market did have some later model ea71s that could have had HLAs.
Now as for the points, I'm not sure why that is, my best guess would be that the original disty failed and someone stuck a points distributor in. I'm not sure why someone would have done this, but that is my best guess at the moment.

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 10:49 AM

There seem to be some references to the EA71 being made until around 1994....

 

Yep, that's True... but Outside the USA only.

 

The Limited editions of the Gen III Subaru Leone (a.k.a: EA82 or Loyale) was mainly sold with the EA71 engine in other markets, such like the LADM (Latin American Domestic Market) etc...

 

Also one of the Limited editions known as the "Maia FF" and the "Maia II" came with EFi EA71.

 

One USMB Member had a TBi intake Manifold for the JDM EA71, which is Shorter than the EA81 one.

 

There are Pictures here of that, somewhere...

 

About the Maia FF and Maia II Versions, there are Pictures Here:

 

~► http://www.ultimates...read/?p=1137577

 

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 02:45 PM

I'm not saying I trust them, just that they have a general idea of when the 1600s were made, also this isn't a DIY chilitons its an import shop Manuel, it doesn't have much info, but it does show engines that came with certain models and years.

No disrespect meant towards you.  I've had a need/hate relationship with Chilton's since the '70s:  Lots of pages, but I could never bring myself to rely on their information.  Meh... my problem.

 

In any information, it seems hard to tease out what was available in which market.   The US has a rather different market than the rest of the world, one where we don't heavily tax engine displacement and where gasoline costs less than $8/gallon.  (That sounded preach-y/lecture-y; sorry)   IIRC, there is/was a member in Israel that had a 1600 in what we would consider an EA82 model (but I don't remember if it was an OHC or EA71).  In some markets, the "simplicity" of points-distributor might be attractive.

 

Or, either the distributor or valve covers were swapped in.  C'mon!  Pop off the covers and end the mystery.



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Posted 12 May 2013 - 08:03 PM

No disrespect meant towards you.  I've had a need/hate relationship with Chilton's since the '70s:  Lots of pages, but I could never bring myself to rely on their information.  Meh... my problem.
 
In any information, it seems hard to tease out what was available in which market.   The US has a rather different market than the rest of the world, one where we don't heavily tax engine displacement and where gasoline costs less than $8/gallon.  (That sounded preach-y/lecture-y; sorry)   IIRC, there is/was a member in Israel that had a 1600 in what we would consider an EA82 model (but I don't remember if it was an OHC or EA71).  In some markets, the "simplicity" of points-distributor might be attractive.
 
Or, either the distributor or valve covers were swapped in.  C'mon!  Pop off the covers and end the mystery.

I understand not trusting chilitons, I've seen chilitons that had pages in upside down (not to mention false info)
I'll pop those covers off and take some pics :) I might have some time after work tomorrow ;)

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 01:35 AM

... IIRC, there is/was a member in Israel that had a 1600 in what we would consider an EA82 model (but I don't remember if it was an OHC or EA71). ....

 

The 1.6L "Loyales" are pretty popular outside USA...

 

 

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... Those are Fat Case EA71. ...

 

These Cars came 1.3L (EA65) 1.6L (EA71) and 1.8L (EA81 and EA82)

 

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The Israeli member had a EA65 engined Subaru Coupe, which means it is a 1300 (1.3L) engine,

 

another popular Displacement in LADM (Latin American Domestic Market) ...

 

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Here's her Thread, with Photos of that EA65 Coupe:

 

~► http://www.ultimates...aru-1986-coupe/

 

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 03:45 AM

I have one of those US considered EA82 models that has EA71 in it.

 

It's this one and it is 1.6 GL FWD version:

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The engine in your photos looks very similat to mine altouht I do not have those "do not ajust valveclearance stickers" and I know it doesn'thave HLA:s

I've seen many of these 1.6 DL and GL cars in here and couple of 1.3 versions too. I think mine does not have electronic ignition since it has points too and does not have any sort of control box anywhere to be found (or then I just haven't looked in the right place).There's even some differences in the european EA71 and US EA71 since mine has 55kW rather than 50kW that I've read the US ones have.


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Posted 14 May 2013 - 08:50 AM

Hmmmm... This adds to the mysterie, I suspect this is a JDM motor, I know that 85 was the first year of HLAs in the u.s. and I believe northwet is right that 84 is the last year of the 1600 in the u.s.
I'm going to have to do some more reasearch on this, does anyone know where I could find out ea engine specs from the JDM?

I don't want to pull the valve covers, but I really would like to know whether this acctually has HLAs or not, luckily I just got a job at a mechanics shop and I can probably get parts through them.

 

 

 

I actually had a  U.S 5spd 86 & 89  gl hatchback  1.6 EA71 with factory installed air conditioning. I had to manually adjust the valves.  I know that is weird! Subaru gurus never believed me until they saw my cars.



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Posted 14 May 2013 - 09:17 AM

wow i whouldent have belived it till i saw it bet they get realy good mpg did it ever come tbi ? or mpi



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Posted 14 May 2013 - 09:19 AM

Stateside they were all carb, no idea about other countries.



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Posted 14 May 2013 - 09:40 AM

Yep, that's True... but Outside the USA only.

 

The Limited editions of the Gen III Subaru Leone (a.k.a: EA82 or Loyale) was mainly sold with the EA71 engine in other markets, such like the LADM (Latin American Domestic Market) etc...

 

Also one of the Limited editions known as the "Maia FF" and the "Maia II" came with EFi EA71.

 

One USMB Member had a TBi intake Manifold for the JDM EA71, which is Shorter than the EA81 one.

 

There are Pictures here of that, somewhere...

 

About the Maia FF and Maia II Versions, there are Pictures Here:

 

~► http://www.ultimates...read/?p=1137577

 

Kind Regards.

 

 

 

I know it is weird but I had an '86 & '89 2WD Generation II 5spd EA71 hatchback with air conditioning! For the '86, every time I went to the dealer they would label it an '84 carry over but the '89 I have no idea for the reason.  I know that was the last year they made the Generation II.



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Posted 14 May 2013 - 09:43 AM

I'm going to pull the valve covers off and see for sure what I've got, I couldn't do it yesterday cause of the rain, but I'll try and find some time today.

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 10:48 AM

I'm going to pull the valve covers off and see for sure what I've got, I couldn't do it yesterday cause of the rain, but I'll try and find some time today.

 

That is your best bet..... it is really easy to identify.  You will have clearance adjustment posts if they are not hydraulic.



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Posted 14 May 2013 - 06:52 PM

I'm going to pull the valve covers off and see for sure what I've got, I couldn't do it yesterday cause of the rain, but I'll try and find some time today.

 

Post Photos, Please! ... ;)  ...

 

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 09:51 PM

Dang, I relay hoped this would be an HLA motor
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Edited by mikaleda, 14 May 2013 - 09:51 PM.


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Posted 14 May 2013 - 09:56 PM

Hmmmm... This adds to the mysterie, I suspect this is a JDM motor, I know that 85 was the first year of HLAs in the u.s. and I believe northwet is right that 84 is the last year of the 1600 in the u.s.
I'm going to have to do some more reasearch on this, does anyone know where I could find out ea engine specs from the JDM?

I don't want to pull the valve covers, but I really would like to know whether this acctually has HLAs or not, luckily I just got a job at a mechanics shop and I can probably get parts through them.

umm we had hlas before 85. Even if by not much. (84 was the cross over for ea81s)



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Posted 15 May 2013 - 08:57 AM

umm we had hlas before 85. Even if by not much. (84 was the cross over for ea81s)

Hi...... sorry to keep mentioning this.  But pleas keep in mind.   I had a Generation II 1986 GL  2WD 1.6 EA 71 which was considered a '84 crossover and a Generation II '89 DL 1.6 EA71 with the round headlights.  After doing a little research yesterday was a '80 crossover.  These were U.S.A models.  Very strange.   So anything is possible.  I currently have a Generation II dual carb model! Which looked like my '89 model.

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