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Brat with a blown motor, worth saving?


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#1 spicypeanut

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 01:53 PM

I was thinking about picking up a clean, original brat with a blown motor and
was just curious if was ever worth saving. Any thoughts? The body and chasis are
clean, really the only down side is the broken engine. I'm going to take a closer look at it this weekend.



#2 belacane

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 01:59 PM

Absolutely worth saving! Subies of this era are delightfully easy to work on, and a brat with a clean body is a rare find indeed. I'd get it without hesitation :)

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 02:06 PM

What he said^



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Posted 14 November 2013 - 02:53 PM

Their engines don't usually "blow".  Almost always something simple and easily fixable.  Brats have a huge cult following, and are worth a good deal in decent shape.



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Posted 14 November 2013 - 06:30 PM

Amen !! i have a few used 1800's if you need one...Todd



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Posted 14 November 2013 - 06:51 PM

Supposedly the guy tells me it just died one day while he was driving and the mechnic he took it to told him it needs a new motor. I guess that could mean anything from the oil pan fell out, to a rod through the block to god knows what. Whats the going rate on junkyard motors? Any clue? I guess I could take it apart myself and rebuild it. Honestly, how hard can it be ;)



#7 belacane

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 07:45 PM

They go for between $250 and $500 last I looked.

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 07:54 PM

yes. it wouldn't surprise me at all if you find out it's an easy fix.



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Posted 14 November 2013 - 10:35 PM

These engines were designed to be used in "developing nations"; they are simple, rugged, reliable, and usually repairable with minimal tools.  The engine is light, and one strong person or 2 average strength persons can lift the engine out of the engine bay.

 

Headgaskets fail, but that is partially because of the years and mileage on the gaskets.  Easy replacement, even in-car.  Cylinders and rings are incredibly durable.



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Posted 15 November 2013 - 12:05 AM

Now I'm even more excited to take a look at it this weekend. I'll keep you guys posted. Might have a fresh face around here soon.



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Posted 15 November 2013 - 12:37 AM

Yes you should save it. I bought an 86 Brat as a project about a month ago. It has needed a lot of work but overall I am very happy that I picked it up. I get comments all the time from people when I drive it around town. It's one of those cars that makes people smile.  The first time I took it in to try to get it pass emissions, the tech came out smiling telling me how when he was a kid his mom had one.  It made my day to see it bring such a positive reaction to someone who probably tests 20 cars a day.



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Posted 15 November 2013 - 03:43 AM

I would definitely have it sitting in my driveway, regardless of why it doesn't run.

I would guess it's more of an electrical issue than engine issue.

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Posted 15 November 2013 - 11:21 AM

I got a nice ea81 to poor wittle motor has no car !



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Posted 15 November 2013 - 01:23 PM

Here's a tiny bit more info. Its a 78 Brat, non-turbo. That's about all I know at this point.


Edited by spicypeanut, 15 November 2013 - 05:24 PM.


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Posted 15 November 2013 - 05:25 PM

More info. 78 Brat, non-turbo, blue, with rear shell. Supposedly it was restored 20 years ago or so. Interior is supposed to be super clean, no accidents, original paint. BUT one of the pistons went through the block. So I'm assuming I will need a whole new motor. Anyone have any suggestions on who I can contact for something of this magnitutde?



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Posted 15 November 2013 - 07:00 PM

Well, so much for my theory on it being an electrical problem.

'78 would be an EA71 engine. Car-part.com is a good place to search for needed stuff. Use BRAT, Sedan, Wagon to open up more possibilities of finding another EA71 engine.

There are other engine/trans possibilities, but they would require some modifications. Some easy, some involved.

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Posted 15 November 2013 - 07:06 PM

Well, so much for my theory on it being an electrical problem.

'78 would be an EA71 engine. Car-part.com is a good place to search for needed stuff. Use BRAT, Sedan, Wagon to open up more possibilities of finding another EA71 engine.

There are other engine/trans possibilities, but they would require some modifications. Some easy, some involved.

Thanks Tom. I'll check there first. Some of the information that website pulls up is a little bit on the thin side. Would you suggest swapped a whole new motor in or try to rebuild it with good parts?



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Posted 15 November 2013 - 07:29 PM

If you have a hole in the case, then you need a new engine. EA71 is only option for direct swap.

 

An EA81 and it's D/R 4-speed can be swapped in fairly easy if you have the knowledge/capability to do so. It would be the easiest swap if an EA71 can't be located.

That is just going by what I've read on here, no actual hands-on experience.



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Posted 15 November 2013 - 10:09 PM

Ideally I would like to find the EA71 motor to do a simple swap. I say simple but I've never even done an engine pull or install before. I found on ebay a complete rebuild kit for about $400 but that would only help if the block was in okay shape. I should be picking this thing up tomorrow. Stay tuned for a photo overload.



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Posted 16 November 2013 - 12:14 AM

So it's saved?!  Any subaru in good condition is worth saving - mechanicals are simple to work on, body shape and rust are not so easy to!

Cheers

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Posted 16 November 2013 - 12:26 AM

Almost. Unless the guy wants too much. But what is too much for a Brat that needs a new engine? 



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Posted 16 November 2013 - 04:00 PM

Wow, I hooked the trailer up to go take a look at the car and the guys dad refused to go below 1000. Oh-well. Thanks for all the help guys.



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Posted 16 November 2013 - 06:37 PM

If it's in nice shape otherwise $1,000 is cheap!!!!! A nice running one is worth $4,000-6,000.

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 02:46 AM

4 to 6 Grand?? Wow,    Where can I sell mine.Sorry but that seems pretty steep... If the body and intrior was mint and i was rich, i might got for a $1000.So many folks think that there brats are worth so much but when it boils down to it... not so much. I mean If you had a really clean, stock,low mile brat ,even then  I've never seen one go for over a 3 grand.But anyway,too bad the guy was so greedy.those little 1600 4x4's brats were bullet proof.That was my first 4x4 subaru 20 some years ago.. Great gas milage and would go any where.We used to do the motorcycle trails with em ..I have never seen a rebuilt Subaru engine in all the years I have been messing with them.We were going to rebuild one but when we looked up all the cost ,we figures it was easer to just get a used engine or the 40,000 mile import engines that were around years ago.I so wish I would have bought a dozen or so,Nice stash....So If you do get it and get a good engine in it you WILL have a 4x4 that will last you for years....keep lookin, the right one will come along for you,You'll be glad you got it...,Todd.  PS 5 or 6 hundred might be a fair deal,If all was persentable.. PPSS sorry I didn't look to see where you called home,L.A......mabey a grand is fair haha,Hey whats fair in LA....I bet not many subaru 4x4's are down your way,thus driving up the price...still its only where two fools met,One to offer the price...the other to pay it.... haha  oh how I love your sunshine !!!


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Posted 17 November 2013 - 01:18 PM

I'd have taken it for $1000.




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