capewaveride Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 What's with the automatic brake sticking thing for starting off on hills in the '04 foresters. I drove one and was not at all impressed. Is there an easy way to disable this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soobadooba Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 You too, huh. I'm hoping mine is just misadjusted. It seems to me that it should disengage just as the clutch starts to grab. Mine doesn't disengage until the pedal is almost all the way up. It makes pulling away from a stop very difficult sometimes...especially for my wife who doesn't quite grasp the concept. We have both stalled the car on numerous occasions because of this. It's going to go back to the dealer ASAP for them to have a look. If they can't properly adjust it, I will see that it is disconnected one way or another. Otherwise, it has been a great car. I'll keep ya posted. -Louis- '04 Forester XT 5spd '91 Loyale 4wd 5spd Wagon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydfloyd44 Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 Absolutely LOVE mine!!! Pulling out into heavy traffic while on a steep upgrade, can't beat it! (love to watch friends struggling with their e-brake trying to do the same thing!!) It sounds like yours just need a little adjusting which is done easily under the hood! Speaking of which, I have been wanting to ask a question about this. Why is it that the Hill Hold will not stop from rolling forward? Doesn't seem logical to me but that is the way it is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiny Clark Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 Whatever happened to the old handbrake method. We sure are a lazy society... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lothar34 Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 Whatever happened to the old handbrake method. We sure are a lazy society... This is a reincarnation of the hill-holder clutch. Subaru had used it before on some older models, but I'm not sure which ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setright Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 The car must be tilting 3 degrees towards the rear, otherwise the ball controlling the system won't roll back and hold the line pressure. There is no response to forward tilt. The system gets "fooled" if your reverse and brake hard, and holds the line pressure, which can make the brake pedal feel odd - perfectly normal. I use both the hill-hold and e-brake method. E-brake is a MUST if the brakes are hot, because clamping hot brake pads to discs is the biggest cause of brake judder. Please don't anyone start a debate on this one, go to stoptech's site and check the logic for yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_talk Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 E-brake is a MUST if the brakes are hot, because clamping hot brake pads to discs is the biggest cause of brake judder. Please don't anyone start a debate on this one, go to stoptech's site and check the logic for yourself.Do the newer Subies have separate pads for the E-brake? The older ones don’t. If not, then even the E-brake is clamping the same hot pads to the rotor. Furthermore, how would the hill holder holding the brakes be any different than you holding them with your foot? I read the material on the Stoptech site and while I don’t argue with it as it pertains to hard usage, and I know you said "when hot", but I suspect that under normal street use the brakes rarely reach the temps required to cause the imprinting. And if this were a significant problem I’m sure Subaru would be seeing a lot of warranty brake work. Just some thoughts (not meaning to start a debate) Gary P.S. I have the “hill holder” on my ’87 RX and its adjusted so that it only activates if the clutch is depressed to its most extreme, well past the normal engagement/disengagement. This way I can control its activation by choice. BTW, the hill holder was common on cars more that 50 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myles Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 Do the newer Subies have separate pads for the E-brake? The older ones don’t. If not, then even the E-brake is clamping the same hot pads to the rotor. Furthermore, how would the hill holder holding the brakes be any different than you holding them with your foot? I read the material on the Stoptech site and while I don’t argue with it as it pertains to hard usage, and I know you said "when hot", but I suspect that under normal street use the brakes rarely reach the temps required to cause the imprinting. And if this were a significant problem I’m sure Subaru would be seeing a lot of warranty brake work. Just some thoughts (not meaning to start a debate) Gary P.S. I have the “hill holder” on my ’87 RX and its adjusted so that it only activates if the clutch is depressed to its most extreme, well past the normal engagement/disengagement. This way I can control its activation by choice. BTW, the hill holder was common on cars more that 50 years ago. On newer Subaru's, the parking brake is actually a small drum brake built into the rear rotors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_talk Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 Like the old GM stuff, cool, good to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meeky Moose Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 i know hill holders were used on subarus even in the early 80's, so its been a feature on thier manual trans cars for decades.. when properly adjusted it should release just as the clutch starts to grab.. they can be adjusted to any "feel you think it should have.. they can also be disconnected since they are cable driven.. sounds to me like yours was just out of adjustment.. only takes a few minutes to adjust it right.. take it to the dealer and tell them the hill holder is not releasing soon enough causing the car to stall.. they'll know what your talkin about.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
99obw Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 My manual transmission technique has evolved into me using all three pedals simultaneously, which is how I deal with hills. Never had a car with a hill-holder. It's virtually impossible to smoothly match speeds while braking without using three-pedal technique. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setright Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 AllTalk, not much difference in hill-holder and foot brake, except only one brake circuit is held. My Legacy had internal drums on the rear discs, so here the e-brake was a safer way with the brakes hot - mine get that way.. My Imp has only drums on the rear, which means I might end up leaving marks on the drum surface when I stop on the e-brake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_talk Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 I’m with 99obw, there is no substitute for a complete set of well honed driving skills. I learned to drive stick in a VW with big carbs and no chokes, you couldn’t get it out of the driveway in the morning without three footin it. Gary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zefy Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 i was wondering about the hill holder thing... is it on my dad's 01 legasy wagon??? if so how do you use it??? what cars did it come on in the 80's??? are they on all models??? thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soobadooba Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 Sure, good driving skills are important. In 25 years of driving, I never had a hill holder until this one. Believe me, it takes more skill to drive a vehicle with a misadjusted hill holder that won't release the brakes at the right point than one without hill holder at all. If I were the only one driving it I would consider disconnecting it. However, I will probably have it adjusted or adjust it myself. -Louis- '04 Forester XT 5spd '91 Loyale 4wd 5spd Wagon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_talk Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 Zefy – I believe it was an option on most if not all EA81 and EA82 cars and standard on some like the RX and GL-10. I’m sure one of the more knowledgeable old schoolers will stop by with more info. Gary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrxsubaru Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 I love the hill hoder, when i drive one of my dads legacy 90,92 around, but if there not adjusted right there horribele, you can adjust them to the point were the car wont be able to move, and Carter subaru was the place that adjusted it horribly, they said it was with in spec, but you had to really brun the clucth to even get the car to move, so i adjusted it my self, its extremly easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soobadooba Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 Well, I took a peek at mine tonight and it looks to be pretty easy to adjust...once you can reach the adjusting nuts. It appears you have to remove the washer reservoir. Maybe I'll get ambitious and try it this weekend. -Louis- '04 Forester XT 5spd '91 Loyale 4wd 5spd Wagon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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