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#1 nick1208

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Posted 19 June 2014 - 01:28 AM

looking at buying this brat tomorrow. Owner said it just died while driving one day. since then it's been sitting for awhile. battery is dead now. What could make an ea81 die while driving? I don't know much about the ea81, but i know enough to know it's not the timing belts ;).  89k original miles. auto. 

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#2 nick1208

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Posted 19 June 2014 - 01:32 AM

I think the owner mentioned something about motor mounts being lose and that maybe contributing to it? maybe something shook off? 



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Posted 19 June 2014 - 04:00 AM

Air, fire, or fuel is the oversimplified version.

Probably not air, so that leaves fire and fuel.

A sudden "it don't run no mo" can't be but so many things. Fuel pump or coil come to mind.

If it was a stumbling slow death, that broadens the possibilities.

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#4 BratRod

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Posted 19 June 2014 - 11:17 AM

My bet is fire. Ignition coil, or pick up module in the dusty. Good looking brat. Has P/S, too. All you need is a tailgate.

Pull a plug and check for spark.

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Posted 19 June 2014 - 05:14 PM

believe a seller about why a car won't run ? If only it wasn't a BRAT, makes it almost worthless. You can't test drive to find, shagged wheel bearings, shaggd uni joints, shagged clutch, shagged gearbox,shagged ngine,shagged cooling, shagged electrical.

 

I don't know how many cars I have bought where owners vagueness was not due to some hidden problem when not test driveable,not.

The only unseen in person car I bought, all photosmissed the hood lining drooping down. Lucky a few old door card clips fixed that in a jiffy :)



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Posted 19 June 2014 - 05:56 PM

its an auto,so the trans is gonna suck even if it does work. lol

 

 

Nick, buy that.



#7 nick1208

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Posted 19 June 2014 - 07:17 PM

I pulled the money to buy it today. It's got some rust on both the rocker panels. Interior is mint though. Hopefully soon we'll see a new post under members rides with the brat! Also we took a battery and the engine does turn over. There's hope!

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Posted 19 June 2014 - 07:49 PM

Most likely problems are the ignition module, coil, fuel pump control unit, fuel pump, fuel lines clogged, or a short. Check the fuses and see if one is blown or missing. I had a problem on my hatch where the carb sensor had a short in it which caused the coil fuse to blow making it so the car wouldn't start.



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Posted 19 June 2014 - 09:11 PM

Hahaha I know right where that Brat has been sitting and for how many years. I ran across it going to a friends wedding, took the plate down, had a friend trace it and called the guy. Same story and at the time he wanted more than I was willing to pay for a non running auto. That and I already have 3. lol If you want some help, lemme know. I'm off 512 & Canyon.



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Posted 19 June 2014 - 10:07 PM

Hahaha I know right where that Brat has been sitting and for how many years. I ran across it going to a friends wedding, took the plate down, had a friend trace it and called the guy. Same story and at the time he wanted more than I was willing to pay for a non running auto. That and I already have 3. lol If you want some help, lemme know. I'm off 512 & Canyon.

awesome! yeah, i would love some help figuring out why it won't run.,another issue is the rusted out rockers. I'm about to head off to vacation but It should be at my house when i come back from my trip around june 27th. I'll PM you



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Posted 19 June 2014 - 10:39 PM

Most likely problems are the ignition module, coil, fuel pump control unit, fuel pump, fuel lines clogged, or a short. Check the fuses and see if one is blown or missing. I had a problem on my hatch where the carb sensor had a short in it which caused the coil fuse to blow making it so the car wouldn't start.

Same thing happened to me.  One of the old solenoid wires that I had cut wiggled free and the end was making contact with the block.  The short blew the fuse and the car died instantly.  Every fuse after that blew instantly until I traced the simple problem.



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Posted 19 June 2014 - 10:58 PM

Nice find Nick!

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 09:40 AM

I wouldn't pay more than a few hundred for it. You're going off the guy's word that it just died while driving and have no idea what's wrong with it. Could just be a nasty fuel filter that never got changed. Could be a complete loss of compression in all the cylinders (unlikely, but hey...) -- A car that does not fire up loses a ton of value as far as I'm concerned.  If he wants more, he should get it running. Who knows how much you'll have to pay in parts and labor to get it up again.



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Posted 20 June 2014 - 11:33 AM

I wouldn't pay more than a few hundred for it. You're going off the guy's word that it just died while driving and have no idea what's wrong with it. Could just be a nasty fuel filter that never got changed. Could be a complete loss of compression in all the cylinders (unlikely, but hey...) -- A car that does not fire up loses a ton of value as far as I'm concerned.  If he wants more, he should get it running. Who knows how much you'll have to pay in parts and labor to get it up again.

 

A brat with little or no rust and has only 89k is worth WAAAY more than "a ffew hundred bucks"(which means $200 or $300)......without an engine.  That's practically scrap price.

 

You gotta realize that the value of these old things as daily trnasportation any more is zilch, nada, nothing.....they are old.....slow...tired and don't even get great gas mileage.......you can't really compare them to "regular" cars.

 

They are now in the realm of collectible......and they are one of the MOST unusual and collectable vehichles of their time.

 

That's like saying......"I wouldn't pay more than a couple hundred for that Model T" 

 

Obviously one with a great running engine is worth somewhat more than one that doesn't run (89k miles....probably something very simple.....and thats crazy low miles)  But just not being able to start it doesn't make it complete junk.

 

Far and away most of the value of these vehicles is in what they ARE.....not how they run.  Their value is only increasing at this point really.



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Posted 20 June 2014 - 12:22 PM

Point taken. And I agree with you. Perhaps I spoke too quick.

 

In the end it's all in the eye of the beholder and what it's worth to them. To me, buying something completely questionable where he's not able to test electrical or mechanical components before doing so is not something I would invest a lot of money into. Just too many variables. But if he feels good about it, more power to him. I would love to have as many of these on the road as we can save.



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Posted 20 June 2014 - 05:40 PM

the whole point of warning not to pay too much is there for the member buying benefit, not the benefit of non member trying to sell something that is likely in their way, something they have not fixed, cannot fix and they have the advantage of knowing just how much was wrong with it when they stopped spending money on it, or forgotten. And don't go fixing it on their place before agreeing and paying for it - some might take it off the market or bump the price !

 

Mine came with purchase receipts as used $6,990 and at least $3k of receipts for work and stuff done, put onto it, plus a second hand engine with a warranty tab - all  this and they covered 30,000km in their ownership. I scored it for price of new tarp and another tailgate if I could find one, still think paid too much for it, and owner was happy for the space and shelter for their family car :)

 

I pulled heads off an EA81 that sat at least 9 years, and longer since it was from a wrecker before that. Inside the coolant passages, everywhere was a greenish lump of crystalised coolant and block linings - found a hole the size of half a Jimmy Carter special corroding away on face of head.

 

All rubber grease boots rot out on ball joints and tie rods, steering racks and CV's too if unlucky after many years of sitting about..

 

Rear shocks and front struts tend to flog out just sitting about too ..

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Or have you bought it now ??

 

Oh yeah, warning, warning - guess why I have the heads off my EA8189 Brumby - I tried to start it on the fuel in the tank, turn it over on the oil in the sump. Drained the fuel, used 90 psi to blow the crud off the filter mesh inside the tank at the pick up, fresh fuel, no oil change, finally got it running, parked it five months to find at least two inlet valves gunked up tight on me, causing pushrods to bend rear most inlet valves either side. This black stuff all over valve guide was sticky tar like, said to be from old oil - yet still stunk of stale fuel. heads off, faced on 240 emery paper on 6mm glass to perfectin :) thanks to the thread instruction on this site, valves been popped out, cleaned up and lubed with vaseline, reassembled and almost ready to start :)

 

Inside the tank - barnacle encrusted brown crud, black crud everywhere - needs acid wash, carb soda neutralise at least before putting into service, I think fresh fuel might dissolce some tar gunks and continue to contaminate fuel.

 

By now, besides why it stopped in fitrt place you might find corrosion in electrical connections and FL's


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Posted 20 June 2014 - 05:45 PM

the whole point of warning not to pay too much is there for the member buying benefit, not the benefit of non member trying to sell something that is likely in their way, something they have not fixed, cannot fix and they have the advantage of knowing just how much was wrong with it when they stopped spending money on it, or forgotten. And don't go fixing it on their place before agreeing and paying for it - some might take it off the market or bump the price !

 

I pulled heads off an EA81 that sat at least 9 years, and longer since it was from a wrecker before that. Inside the coolant passages, everywhere was a greenish lump of crystalised coolant and block linings - found a hole the size of half a Jimmy Carter special corroding away on face of head.

 

All rubber grease boots rot out on ball joints and tie rods, steering racks and CV's too if unlucky after many years of sitting about..

 

Rear shocks and front struts tend to flog out just sitting about too ..

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Or have you bought it now ??

I bought the car. $275. I don't think I paid too much. 



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Posted 20 June 2014 - 09:59 PM

id give you that much for it and I dont even want another Brat. Ill come get it running (maybe?) when youre back in town



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Posted 20 June 2014 - 11:36 PM

id give you that much for it and I dont even want another Brat. Ill come get it running (maybe?) when youre back in town

I'd cream if i could get this thing running easily. Yup. when I get back in town first thing im gonna do is tow it to my garage and get down on it. 



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Posted 21 June 2014 - 12:37 AM

See. Couple hundred bucks. :P



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Posted 21 June 2014 - 12:38 AM

Oh and congrats on the new 'Ru!



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Posted 21 June 2014 - 04:23 AM

I bought the car. $275. I don't think I paid too much. 

 

Well done, you nearly stole it !



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Posted 21 June 2014 - 11:33 AM

Nice Find! ... the Automatic Brats extremely Rare in LADM. (Latin American Domestic Market)

 

All the -Few- Automatic Brats, were imported from USA.

 

Keep this thread updated with the Results on Fixing the non-running issue.

 

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