93 loyale Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Any suggestions for getting the (2) 12mm bolts started? I am about 1 mm short with ring engaged and everything aligned. (see pic) Thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveT Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 I never had that part apart with one on the car.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
93 loyale Posted October 28, 2014 Author Share Posted October 28, 2014 Like your lumber rack DaveT! Upper portion of the starter... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR_Loyale Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 I think you are charting new territory by taking it apart while it is in the car. Only suggestion I have is to remove it from the vehicle and assembly it on a nice clean warm bench inside. I am not saying you can't do it like you are doing, but I suspect it will take lots of cuss words before the job is done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
93 loyale Posted October 28, 2014 Author Share Posted October 28, 2014 It was a balmy +16F today in Fairbanks! Of course it came apart much easier than it is going back together.... ;( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee2 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 I think you are charting new territory by taking it apart while it is in the car. Only suggestion I have is to remove it from the vehicle and assembly it on a nice clean warm bench inside. I am not saying you can't do it like you are doing, but I suspect it will take lots of cuss words before the job is done. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveT Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Thank you! I have yet to disassemble the motor part of a Subaru starter. It may be the brushes hanging up on the comutator. Or something like that. I have disassembled the solenoid section many times to replace one of the copper contacts. That is an off car project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverhelme Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Thank you! It may be the brushes hanging up on the comutator. That is exactly what it is. It will be nearly impossible to reassemble on the car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
93 loyale Posted October 28, 2014 Author Share Posted October 28, 2014 Stupid question #1: After compression starting the car, can it be driven with the comutator removed? This job is above my current skill level (with knuckle scars to prove it) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloyale Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 That is exactly what it is. It will be nearly impossible to reassemble on the car. +1 Why would you take apart the starter that way???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloyale Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 There are literally 2 bolts and 2 wires. If you got it apart that far you can do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
93 loyale Posted October 28, 2014 Author Share Posted October 28, 2014 Working it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
93 loyale Posted October 28, 2014 Author Share Posted October 28, 2014 Starter removal: Confirm (2) 14mm bolts at the base of the starter ground (from battery) at about the 2 o'clock (looking forward) - this bolt appears to go through the top of the transmission (see pic); and 7 o'clock? Also tried removing the 14 mm hot with swivel socket, no luck, very tight, any suggestions? Thanks for nursing me along... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR_Loyale Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 It was a balmy +16F today in Fairbanks! Of course it came apart much easier than it is going back together.... ;( They always do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdweninger Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 First, make sure to disconnect the battery cables. When I remove starters from ea82's, I remember leaving the hot wire connected to the starter. Just remove the starter mounting bolts.... then remove the hot wire after the starter is up and out from the flywheel. Then you can 'get' to the hot wire when the starter is sitting on the inside fender. When you have the starter on the bench, you might as well check the contacts at the solenoid end. Those are fairly easy to replace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
93 loyale Posted October 28, 2014 Author Share Posted October 28, 2014 rdweninger - do you recommend getting to the bottom mounting bolt from underneath? I am cursed with large hands that do not fit well in Japanese car engines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveT Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 17mm combination wrench for bottom nut. 14mm for the top one. Sometimes need a second one to hold the bolt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveT Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Oh, another little mod I do to make starter service easier. Remove the clamp that holds the cables to the steel tube that helps support the spare tire. Then strip off the tape and stuff that holds the + and - cables together. Been running them that way since around 1988 with no ill effects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdweninger Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 You have to remove the spare tire support rod, remove battery cable support, and any other hose or pcv tube that is in the way. I can remove all the starter mounting bolts from top ... but I do some of my best work 'by feel'. If you can't get to the bolt head, then yes, take a look at it from underneath. Keep at it ... you'll get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
93 loyale Posted October 29, 2014 Author Share Posted October 29, 2014 For the solenoid rebuild kit, buy this? www.amazon.com/Victory-Lap-ND-360SOL Or dealer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
93 loyale Posted October 29, 2014 Author Share Posted October 29, 2014 Removed clamps & pulled hoses. The A/C hose was extra fun. Believe it or not, it gets hot in Fairbanks during the summer! Waiting on my reman starter to show up in the mail... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdweninger Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 In the meantime, pull the solenoid cap (3 little bolts... like 8mm hex heads). Inside, you will see the copper starter contacts (2). The one on the battery side will probably be worn down from the arcing that has occurred... thus preventing the transfer of juice to the electric motor side. It is these contacts that you may wish to replace. The contacts are maybe .99 cents apiece. I get mine from a local mechanic repair shop. Although, I think I may try to find them wholesale. You will then have a spare starter... cool, huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
93 loyale Posted October 30, 2014 Author Share Posted October 30, 2014 Will work the 'spare' starter. Please let me know if you find a good source wholesale. Thanks rdweninger! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdweninger Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Napa may have them. I bought mine from a shop here in town ... Mechtronics. He is just a one-man shop. You might check you local shops. If not, I found these guys for wholesale. But they have a $10 minimum order. The contacts are only .58 cents. www.aspwholesale.com/index.php?act=viewCat&catId=786 You want part #66-82786 You need two of them. Check locally, first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
93 loyale Posted December 3, 2014 Author Share Posted December 3, 2014 Put a new starter in today, 2 hours in the base auto hobby shop. Piece of cake in light and warmth. Appreciate your help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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