ScottAust Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Hello all, I have a 1998 Gen 2 outback wagon which I'm about to do some work on and would like a little advice. I bought it a few months ago cheap as it needed some work. Main things being a EJ25D with a blown head gasket which is now replaced with a EJ22E and cv shafts on the front. Next step is the front shafts. I though while I'm at it I will do the suspension as that is also getting old too. I have ordered raised King Springs for all 4 corners and now need to order new struts. As the point of doing a spring lift is to put some taller tyres on my question is what struts are best? Standard struts for that model outback or another model / year ? ( For example do struts off say a 2004 forester will give better tyre clearance) Thanks Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottAust Posted April 12, 2015 Author Share Posted April 12, 2015 PS... Going by ebay prices BG9 struts are twice the price of all the newer Outbacks ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottAust Posted April 12, 2015 Author Share Posted April 12, 2015 (edited) PS.... I haven't checked forester ones yet Edited April 12, 2015 by ScottAust Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdventureSubaru Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 As I understand it, the struts from an 04-08 Forester will give you a little more ground clearance by themselves but will not fit as large a tire as the 96-99 Outback struts will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottAust Posted April 14, 2015 Author Share Posted April 14, 2015 Do the struts from BH gen 3 98 to 03 fit a gen 2 ? New struts are half the price of the BG9 ones ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairtax4me Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 (edited) If you ordered lift springs for an outback, you should probably use outback struts since that's what the springs are made to fit. The forester struts have different valving and may have different extended lengths which will change spring preload. Most of what I've seen when people put forester struts on the outback, they still need strut top spacers to get rid of the saggy butt look. But those are usually with stock springs. I just ordered kings and new outback KYBs for mine. Hoping I get the same look as the gen1 outback wagon pictured on Primitive's store. Just a tad more arch height in the back than in the front. Except mine will be 2" taller than that. Edited April 14, 2015 by Fairtax4me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnatchedHatch Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 (edited) If you ordered lift springs for an outback, you should probably use outback struts since that's what the springs are made to fit. The forester struts have different valving and may have different extended lengths which will change spring preload. Most of what I've seen when people put forester struts on the outback, they still need strut top spacers to get rid of the saggy butt look. But those are usually with stock springs. I just ordered kings and new outback KYBs for mine. Hoping I get the same look as the gen1 outback wagon pictured on Primitive's store. Just a tad more arch height in the back than in the front. Except mine will be 2" taller than that. I forget, do you have an OBS or are you referring to putting these parts on a genuine Outback? This is some useful info I wasn't aware of, I figured the forester struts were plainly taller that the older gen Outback sets. Do you have any info in the difference in ride dynamic on the two (LegOB/Foz struts)? Edited April 14, 2015 by SnatchedHatch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairtax4me Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Mine is a 96 Legacy L. It's gone through an outbacksformation, plus a 2" lift kit. Somewhere that I can't remember offhand someone had specs from KYB with overall height for I think 2nd gen Forester and 1st gen Outback struts. If I remember right the Outback rear struts had longer travel by about 3/4", the front struts by about 1/2". Forester rear struts had a very slightly longer overall extended length. Every forester Ive driven in has a stiffer ride than any outback ive driven, which i believe is due to a different valve rate in the forester struts. I haven't found actual valve rates though it would be nice to see the difference. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottAust Posted April 14, 2015 Author Share Posted April 14, 2015 I know I will end up getting the outback struts. What you have said fairtax makes sence. I just hoped there was something better than the standard ones. The only other issue I have is price. $380 for the pair of gen 2 as aposed to $200 for a pair of just about every other subaru ! Thanks for rhe help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnatchedHatch Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Mine is a 96 Legacy L. It's gone through an outbacksformation, plus a 2" lift kit. Somewhere that I can't remember offhand someone had specs from KYB with overall height for I think 2nd gen Forester and 1st gen Outback struts. If I remember right the Outback rear struts had longer travel by about 3/4", the front struts by about 1/2". Forester rear struts had a very slightly longer overall extended length. Every forester Ive driven in has a stiffer ride than any outback ive driven, which i believe is due to a different valve rate in the forester struts. I haven't found actual valve rates though it would be nice to see the difference. I see what you mean now, that makes perfect sense. For someone looking to set their lift for offroad capability, OB would definitely be the appropriate choice. I would have gone with Fozzie struts as I like the clearance but at most would be driving through a field or light trail, so the marginal travel would be optimal especially when considering the majority of my driving is on road. As a side note, if anyone is interested, I have a set of complete 2006 Forester struts with 120k miles not leaking in good but used shape. I'm listing them locally, but realized maybe one of you could use them. If you pay shipping plus the $50 i spent on them, they're yours. Got them off a Subie buddy that STi-ed his Foz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottAust Posted April 15, 2015 Author Share Posted April 15, 2015 The one I have is a genuine outback so has the factory lift in it. The king springs I have bought are for the outback so will lift it 1 1/2 to 2 inches higher than standard what I was trying to get at was is there another strut that has a higher bottom spring perch than the gen 2 outback ones that will give me more clearance for bigger tyres. Added bonus is newer outback and forester struts are half the price Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairtax4me Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 You can only use 96-99 outback struts. 00+ Legacy and Outback have coil over shocks in the rear. Totally different design. Forester you can use up to 07, but I don't think the spring perches are any higher. I got all 4 KYB on Rockauto for about $270 shipped. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnatchedHatch Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 The one I have is a genuine outback so has the factory lift in it. The king springs I have bought are for the outback so will lift it 1 1/2 to 2 inches higher than standard what I was trying to get at was is there another strut that has a higher bottom spring perch than the gen 2 outback ones that will give me more clearance for bigger tyres. Added bonus is newer outback and forester struts are half the price Perhaps an aftermarket strut? Not sure, I'd check the numerous Subie forums independent of USMB, not to mention the Aussie ones. I could see a forum dedicated to lifted Outbacks, that would be your best bet for info on such struts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnatchedHatch Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 You can only use 96-99 outback struts. 00+ Legacy and Outback have coil over shocks in the rear. Totally different design. Forester you can use up to 07, but I don't think the spring perches are any higher. I got all 4 KYB on Rockauto for about $270 shipped. Found some strut data, straight from KYB comparing the Forester struts and Impreza struts (sorry, maybe the Outback specs can be found). FRONT Lower Hole To Spring Seat Impreza 252 Forester 253 Total Strut Body Length Impreza 356 Forester 377 Extended Length (Body + Shaft) Impreza 525 Forester 560 [514] Compressed Length (Body + Shaft) Forester 391 REAR Lower Hole To Spring Seat Impreza 315 Forester 330 Total Strut Body Length Impreza 367 Forester 407 Extended Length (Body + Shaft) Impreza 605 Forester 643 [632] Compressed Length (Body + Shaft) Forester 455 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairtax4me Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Would be nice to know which part of the seat they measure to. I assume they measure to the center of the hole. I can tell you the Outback rear measures about 690mm extended, not including the threaded portion of the shaft. Compressed length is about 470. I can measure the fronts tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottAust Posted April 15, 2015 Author Share Posted April 15, 2015 Fairtax I would jump at $270 for a full set but in Australia the best I can do so far is $340 starting price for EACH end (for just about any brand) Plus shipping buying them in pairs or a "special" deal at the moment on eBay of $650 plus $15 shipping for a full set. That's for the KYB stuff. Sachs are $400 plus each end $790 plus shipping for genuine Subaru. Note *pruor to 12 to 18 months ago I did buy a lot of stuff like this frim America but something happened there and shipping went up from say $20 to over $100 for everything ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairtax4me Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Ahhh, yeah I can imagine shipping to Australia gets pretty expensive. The two boxes (two struts in each) I got were about 30lbs each. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottAust Posted April 15, 2015 Author Share Posted April 15, 2015 (edited) Ok I got a set of BG9 KYB rear struts on eBay for $222 free shipping. That's a start. Edited April 15, 2015 by ScottAust Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottAust Posted April 18, 2015 Author Share Posted April 18, 2015 Still can't find decent price for the fronts. $350 is the best so far Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lstevens76 Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 (edited) I believe all these prices are "EACH" and you will need 2. Well the rear KYB G2 are $60.79 and $61.79 for a '98 Outback. The fronts are $67.99 & $68.79. This doesn't include the Strut Mounts (Top Hats) which KYB ones are around $48.79 rear and $44.89 front. The boots/bellows are $11.23 (think each) for the front. Right now if you had ordered all 4 from Rockauto or someplace like that KYB is running a $40 rebate on the purchase of 4 struts. They also have the kit you probably got on eBay for $221, if that kit includes the mounts and the bellows, although no free shipping but if they are on the promotion that $40 rebate might have covered the shipping for all of it. Edited April 18, 2015 by lstevens76 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottAust Posted April 18, 2015 Author Share Posted April 18, 2015 (edited) All those prices are fantastic except that is the US price and the freight to Australia is $80 to $120 for each item ! I bought a pair of rear struts for $222 on special including postage from ebay. The best price I can get from a local parts shop is $370 for the front pair. That is for the struts only not the top hats. Looks like the best I will get a front pair for is $338 from ebay but that seller has very bad feed back so the next best is $350 + $11 postage. The reason I started this post is that I can get Gen 3 outback front struts for $200 posted ! If only is was as simple as them fitting ! Edited April 18, 2015 by ScottAust Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lstevens76 Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 (edited) I'm not sure what the difference is but check top hat interchangeability. There are a lot of years they have the same top hat for the fronts. Edited April 18, 2015 by lstevens76 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottAust Posted April 18, 2015 Author Share Posted April 18, 2015 (edited) I'm going to use the original top hats anyway so that's not a problem, it's the bottom mounting bolt holes / strut length etc I dint know about Edited April 18, 2015 by ScottAust Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lstevens76 Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 You may want to replace those top hats. There are bearings in them and they affect your handling. Better to replace them while doing the struts than have to do it later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThosL Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 My suspension is a little bumpy, but at this point I don't want to spend the money unless it is a real need. Advance quoted me around $300 for a set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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