tysn Posted April 16, 2015 Author Share Posted April 16, 2015 if you could find me a tube for the ej22 that would be awesome, let me know what postage is. paypal or how would you like to be recompensated for it? PM me if needed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tysn Posted April 24, 2015 Author Share Posted April 24, 2015 OK I have the motor in, i crank and crank the motor and it will not start. do i need to change the engine wiring harness off of the old engine to the new 22e? does the 96 legacy coil have the ignitor built in like the 99 ej25d? also there are 2 ends for hoses in the front passenger side of the motor, if i put on the hose for these, where should they route to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtdash Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 Hi, - The harness plugged in just like the '99's correct? On the passenger side of the transmission/ rear of engine - 3 plugs? If so, that's all there is to it. - Those 2 hoses are probably vacuum lines for the charcoal canister. The 2.2's/earlier models have them up front; the newer/2.5's are in back. There is info on that on here and what to do w/them....I don't remember. - I 'thought' all the '90-'99's had the ignitor mounted to the firewall similar to this? Fuel, spark, air: - Did you make sure your fuel lines are properly connected? Easy to criss-cross. - Verified plugs and wires are all connected? - MAF is plugged in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tysn Posted April 24, 2015 Author Share Posted April 24, 2015 Would a cam and crank sensor cause any lack of spark or fuel? The crank sensor is off of my old motor should I maybe try to change the cam sensor as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccrinc Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 (edited) OK I have the motor in, i crank and crank the motor and it will not start. do i need to change the engine wiring harness off of the old engine to the new 22e? does the 96 legacy coil have the ignitor built in like the 99 ej25d? also there are 2 ends for hoses in the front passenger side of the motor, if i put on the hose for these, where should they route to? Yes, you need to swap the engine wiring harness. The ECU is expecting the signals from it. Basically, the wiring that came with that ECU needs to stay with that ECU. Edited April 26, 2015 by ccrinc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idosubaru Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Yes, you need to swap the engine wiring harness. The ECU is expecting the signals from it. Basically, the wiring that came with that ECU needs to stay with that ECU. That is a general philosophy but is not the case here. 1996 EJ22 is plug and play into any 1996-1999 EJ25D. No wiring or ECU swapping or considerations are necessary. 1. Remove EJ25 engine (complete engine, intake, etc) 2. Install EJ22 and plug it in 3. It'll run That being said - the details of this swap are hard to follow - can you verify this is a 1996 EJ22 going into a 1999 EJ25D? Check: 1. for spark at all 4 cylinders 2. fuel pressure 3. timing marks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tysn Posted April 29, 2015 Author Share Posted April 29, 2015 i have fuel pressure, spark, timing is off 3-4 teeth now though, when one replaces the timing belt, and the tensioner do they also replace the hydraulic assembly on that as well? what would cause a motor that hasnt been started yet to skip timing that much by trying to start the motor or turning the motor by hand via crank bolt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccrinc Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 (edited) If it's not an actual '96, rotating the engine backward will cause that. And can cause internal damage as well. Edited April 29, 2015 by ccrinc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtdash Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Which one do you have and did you RE-compress it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tysn Posted April 29, 2015 Author Share Posted April 29, 2015 i had the old style and i did re-compress it prior to installing the timing belt and took the pin out after i had the timing belt aligned with the timing marks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tysn Posted April 29, 2015 Author Share Posted April 29, 2015 engine rotates clock wise if i am looking at the front of the motor correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtdash Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 engine rotates clock wise if i am looking at the front of the motor correct? Correct...a new belt would be marked... i have fuel pressure, spark, timing is off 3-4 teeth now though, when one replaces the timing belt, and the tensioner do they also replace the hydraulic assembly on that as well? what would cause a motor that hasnt been started yet to skip timing that much by trying to start the motor or turning the motor by hand via crank bolt? I don't know.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idosubaru Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 teeth skipping: tensioner belt is too tight seems highly unlikely but camshaft is seized? unlikely but, is it turning over really fast - maybe valves are bent. while 1996 is non-interference this wouldn't be the first interference 1996 engine to bend valves...and even if it came out of a 1996 - that doesn't mean it wasn't previously swapped with a later model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idosubaru Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 (edited) what's the story on the EJ22 - was this a low mileage grandma owned car that ran perfect before you pulled it? or a craigslist special, requested cash, and met you in a back alley, never telling you his name or info? Edited April 29, 2015 by grossgary 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tysn Posted April 29, 2015 Author Share Posted April 29, 2015 the ej22 is out of a 96, i did actually find the vin on the block, i took all the timing components and water pump from my 25d minus the belt and tensioner meaning they will not work with the 96 22e, I did put on a new timing belt on the 22e, the tensioner and the hydraulic assembly are the only things i did not change, i left them from the 22e, the story on the motor is that it is a craiglist special, it had 170-180 compression all the way around, the motor doesnt seem to turn over any faster than it should. it does have spark it does have fuel, i though maybe the fuel lines on the 22 were blocked or something till i took out out the injectors and there was fuel in the tubes when i removed the injectors, i actually just put the injectors out of the 25d on the 22 fuel rail thinking before i knew about the fuel in the rail. my theory is that the timing tensioner is the culprit, allowing the timing to be off a few teeth. when people change the timing belt do you change both the tensioner and the hydraulic assembly as well? or just the tensioner? the reason i ask is that most of the timing belt kits i look at only include the tensioner and not the hydraulic assembly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtdash Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Hi, I swear I'm NOT ESL, but i don't comprehend this: "change both the tensioner and the hydraulic assembly as well" In the pics I posted what parts did you change? And BTW, you CAN use your EJ25D assembly (I would if it's new-ish), just remove that whole bracket as shown in the pic. It'll bolt onto your 2.2. TD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tysn Posted April 29, 2015 Author Share Posted April 29, 2015 i didnt use the tensioner or the assembly on the 22 that would have come from the 25. the 25d assembly doesnt look as if it will bolt up due to there not being the 3rd bolt on the driver side of the tab where it bolts to the driver side head under the inner timing belt cover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tysn Posted April 29, 2015 Author Share Posted April 29, 2015 the bracket i have looks alot like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdventureSubaru Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 I had that happen after doing a 2.2 swap in a 97 Outback. It skipped a few teeth on it's first test drive. Found the tensioner was weak so I swapped that bracket and a 99 style tensioner, reset the timing and was good to go. That's probably your best bet if you suspect the tensioner. You already have the parts off the 2.5 motor. A few extra bolts and you should be back in business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdventureSubaru Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 I put the fill tube in the mail yesterday BTW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tysn Posted April 29, 2015 Author Share Posted April 29, 2015 but how do i get that new style to work with the old style i put the pic up of? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tysn Posted April 29, 2015 Author Share Posted April 29, 2015 do i need to cut off the one tab that faces the driver side timing cover? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tysn Posted May 7, 2015 Author Share Posted May 7, 2015 i have the car baclk and it does run, poorly but it runs, i get codes p0431, 0403, and 0341, which seem to be either a cam crank sensor sync is off some and the egr, the egr doesnt really bother me too much, i replaced the hydrauklic tensioner portion, the tensioner pulley is the last none new thing on the timing portion, would the pulley its self cause the timing to keep jumping after the timing has been reset? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idosubaru Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 if the pulley spins normal it should have nothing to do with it. are you using the wrong timing belt marks - post pictures of your timing belt configuration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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