FatCatDoS Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 1994 Subaru loyale 3AT 4WD. Replacing engine. Having a little problem with the distributor timing on my car. I just did the timing belt procedure; following the Miles Fox series of videos on youtube Started with both cams with the dot facing up. I installed the inner timing belt first Rotated the crank. Installed outer timing belt. Rotated the crank a full 360 degrees, resetting the first cam to its original position. Then I rotated till the flexplate was at the 0 degree mark.(Is that right for SPFI cars???) But now my rotor is not pointing where the #1 spark plug wire is on the cap. What did I do wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naked Buell Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Do it again. You probably didn't have something lined up right because if you did the rotor would tell you. Just start over and double and triple check as you go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatCatDoS Posted February 8, 2017 Author Share Posted February 8, 2017 ok. Will try again tomorrow \ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88SubieSnack Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Just curious...when you say you reset the cam to its original position, then you rotate the flex plate to the zero degree position, is that the marks with TDC markings and numbers or three small lines? When you set your flywheel to the middle of the three small lines your driver cam dot should be up. Install belt. Rotate 360 degrees back to middle line. Install 2nd belt. Rotate 360 degrees back to middle line. Distributor positioned at spark plug #1. That is also if you didn't remove the distributor, but you did replace the engine. Did you transfer the distributor from old engine to new one? The flywheel has two groups of markings. 1). Three lines for Distributor/Timing belt serve markings 2). Larger group of lines/numbers for setting the timing with a timing light. Hope I can help you. Will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87subbomber Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 set #1 cylinder on tdc compression stroke. install inmer belt with dot facing strait up. rotate engine one turn. dot on first cam belt should now be pointing down. install outer timing belt with cam gear dot facing straight up. now engine should have inner belt cam gear down amd outer cam belt up. rotate engine a full turn. three hash marks on flywheel should be present and be centered. and inner cam belt facing up, outer cam belt facing down. if it is set at 0° you are way off, as that is for setting ignition timing with a timing light. these are not meant to be timed like modern engines that both timing marks align together, they will always be 180° opposite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatCatDoS Posted February 8, 2017 Author Share Posted February 8, 2017 Just curious...when you say you reset the cam to its original position, then you rotate the flex plate to the zero degree position, is that the marks with TDC markings and numbers or three small lines The flywheel has two groups of markings. 1). Three lines for Distributor/Timing belt serve markings 2). Larger group of lines/numbers for setting the timing with a timing light. Will I did reset it to the 3 mark. Then rotated till it was at 0 on the timing light marks. This is how it's described on the Miles Fox videos on YouTube to set the distributor. Are you telling me I don't have to worry about the actual timing marks?The distributor had not been removed to my knowledge but this engine was pulled from someone's carport. So I was trying to act like the dizzy HAD been removed just in case. It looked to be pointing in between #1 & #3 on the cap. Not directly at 1. I'm going to try again today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveT Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Do not use the 0 mark. What the other was wrote above works, and is the procedure from the factory service manual. Use only the 3 vertical marks for the 2 installation steps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88SubieSnack Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Are you telling me I don't have to worry about the actual timing marks? Yepp. Focus entirely on the three small lines when you try it again. Like 87subbomber wrote: set #1 cylinder on tdc compression stroke. install inmer belt with dot facing strait up. rotate engine one turn. dot on first cam belt should now be pointing down. install outer timing belt with cam gear dot facing straight up. now engine should have inner belt cam gear down amd outer cam belt up. rotate engine a full turn. three hash marks on flywheel should be present and be centered. and inner cam belt facing up, outer cam belt facing down. if it is set at 0° you are way off, as that is for setting ignition timing with a timing light. these are not meant to be timed like modern engines that both timing marks align together, they will always be 180° opposite. Then double check your distributor position and your rotor should be close to spark plug #1 or really close. Timing the engine will bring it closer to #1. If you need info for timing we can help with that too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firemanjim Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 "The flywheel has two groups of markings. 1). Three lines for Distributor/Timing belt serve markings 2). Larger group of lines/numbers for setting the timing with a timing light." Well dang ! I set my cam gears /timing belt with the lined/numbers ........haven't been able to start it yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firemanjim Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 I also followed the video like a dummy ,no mention of the three lines mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveT Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Well dang ! I set my cam gears /timing belt with the lined/numbers ........haven't been able to start it yet If you used the "normal looking" timing marks, it will not run. Those are only for using a light, after things are running, to do the fine adjustment. The 3 line mark | | | is the only one for timing belt installation. I don't know about the videos, there were no videos when I learned to install timing belts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatCatDoS Posted February 9, 2017 Author Share Posted February 9, 2017 I also followed the video like a dummy ,no mention of the three lines mark Yeah! It's not done correctly in the video is what I'm gathering. I'm going to re time it tomorrow when it's not snowing hopefully. The videos are just a series of videos on YouTube to help rebuild a EA82. Very useful for a first timer like myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEECHBM69 Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 (edited) I also followed the video like a dummy ,no mention of the three lines mark Yeah! It's not done correctly in the video is what I'm gathering. I'm going to re time it tomorrow when it's not snowing hopefully. The videos are just a series of videos on YouTube to help rebuild a EA82. Very useful for a first timer like myself. The Miles Fox video for the EA82 is correct, and it references the three marks in the very beginning. I'm not sure what video you watched, but this one is correct. <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/ZG1p70E4VXc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> Dan Edited February 10, 2017 by BEECHBM69 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatCatDoS Posted February 10, 2017 Author Share Posted February 10, 2017 The Miles Fox video for the EA82 is correct, and it references the three marks in the very beginning. I'm not sure what video you watched, but this one is correct. <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/ZG1p70E4VXc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> Dan ...the very next episode about Distributor timing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatCatDoS Posted February 10, 2017 Author Share Posted February 10, 2017 I've watched them all. Multiple times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robm Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 I think you have it right. Notice that Miles' distributor was pointing a little off #1, slightly towards #3. This make sense, as the distributor actually fires at 20 BTDC, so it may not be exactly lined up at 0 deg. If you didn't remove the distributor, chances are it is good. It certainly isn't 180 deg. out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firemanjim Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Thanks fellas,guess I'll pop those belts off in the morning and do it right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87subbomber Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 Just because nobody mentioned it, after cam timing is set and you are ignition timing the engine with a timing light, you must cap the vaccuum advance port on the intake manifold and distributor. i made that mistake before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djellum Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 the 3 marks for timing belt install as said when you get to distributor timing there should be a diagnostic plug that I believe you have to connect for doing the base engine time (on the timing marks like a normal motor). should be in the manual if its there, just mentioning it in case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveT Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 Another note to add - I've replaced many timing belts, never found the distributor adjustment off by more than a couple of degrees. As long as the distributor was reinstalled correctly, the adjustment should be small a well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firemanjim Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 I started over with timing belts,installed distributer as suggested in fox video ,found I had the fuel in and return lines mixed and fixed that and she fired right up 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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