Jes1991 Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Sorry I tried using the search bar and Google, but I can't find a direct answer. I have found a 1983 Leone turbo for sale for $400. It only has 106k original miles on It. It has a bad automatic transmission. I have a 91 loyale coming to me at the end of June I purchased for $70. (Yes a working driving loyale for $70 perfect body and interior) it has 300k on the motor and it burns oil. The The manual transmission was rebuilt or replaced 7k miles ago so it's practically new. Long story short: will a manual transmission from a 1991 loyale w/ push button 4wd fit in a 1983 Leone with an automatic transmission w/ 4wd? Please and thank you! Ps. None of this "use the search bar" stuff. I did. And googled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveT Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 I know they fit mix match 86 through 93, if they have ea82 engines. I am not sure about 83s. The flywheel is different between at and manual. There may be a difference in driveshaft length, in which case you would have to swap that also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Yes it will fit. Search for 5 speed dual range EA81 swap. Same situation exactly just different 4WD engagement system (electric). GD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jes1991 Posted June 2, 2017 Author Share Posted June 2, 2017 Thanks guys! One last question. On the 83 Leone, he said the transmission wants to start off in 3rd gear. My girlfriend said that it would be awesome if I could fix the auto tranny and let her drive it in the winter since it's 4wd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Don't even bother with it. The 3AT was a troublesome transmission at the best of times. Parts are not available to address it's common issues at this point (like the pump drive shaft spline stripping, etc). All the parts are discontinued. GD 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86BRATMAN Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 If you're in Natural Bridge VA I'll give you your money back on the car plus some to keep it off the salty rump roast VA winter roads. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john in KY Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 I seriously doubt the differential ratios will be the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86BRATMAN Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 They won't, 3at is 3.70 ea82 4wd 5 spd is 3.90. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jes1991 Posted June 2, 2017 Author Share Posted June 2, 2017 Thanks for the info GeneralDisorder. I'll drop the trans out of the high milage loyale and slap it in. Get all the good body panels and put them on my "low" mileage loyale. So what does that mean with the ratios being different? I'm sort or a back yard tinkerer. So this is all new to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 You will have to swap the diff as well as the trans. And the driveline, and get in touch with Bratsrus1 (Jerry) for a trans cross member kit. GD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naru Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 (edited) Thanks for the info GeneralDisorder. I'll drop the trans out of the high milage loyale and slap it in. Get all the good body panels and put them on my "low" mileage loyale. So what does that mean with the ratios being different? I'm sort or a back yard tinkerer. So this is all new to me. I would at least attempt to repair the automatic. Might be much simplier than a tranny swap. Could be something as simple as a brake band adjustment or leaking control valve gasket. A lot of parts ARE still available. My own 1984 turbo automatic still works well and I certainly don`t baby it. I like the automatic around town.Torque multiplication from the torque convertor is very useful in stop and go driving. Mine will spin the tires in a slightly low traction situation. Edited June 3, 2017 by naru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverhelme Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 (edited) As naru said it might be worth attempting to fix it. I run one behind an EJ22 and have for several years so with the correct maintenance they do work. 2-3 band adjustment and governor clean and smooth are the 2 things that will make it live the longest. Try the simple things first then replace it with the 5 speed it that is what you want. I have had a complete 5 speed setup waiting to be installed when the 3at fails, but it is still going strong. Edited June 3, 2017 by silverhelme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveT Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 One of my 3ATs lost 3rd and reverse. All it was was a small tube that fell out of the valve body to the band piston. So it could be something simple / stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloyale Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 My 84 3at kept chewing up governor gears. the drive gear in the trans is shot. So I removed the Governor valve body from the governor main body. I installed a plate with a groove that allows full pressure to 3rd gear. (full open flow between the 2 ports) Now I can drive by selecting 1,2 or D with the shifter. Although sometimes if I really need 1st, I need to let it idle in "N" first for a while then shift quickly to 1st. annoying, but functional and easy to fabricate at home. Just need a plate with 2 holes for bolts and a groove for fluid to pass between governor ports. It's worth noting that a 3AT from a 4wd loyal would be a nearly direct bolt in. Swap rear diff to 3.9 to match but all else would be direct whereas a 5spd swap involves a lot more (clutch pedal and cable, wiring of 4wd solenoids, mounting carrier bearing, shifter, crossmember, etc....) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subaru Scott Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 Very likely the governor is stuck. I believe I ran into this problem once, a long time ago. Easy to pull out and check. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveT Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Yes, governor stuck could be also. Had one get sticky in my 86, a long long time ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subaru Scott Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 ...in a galaxy far, far away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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