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1998 Forester, engine knocking.

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#51 GeneralDisorder

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Posted 21 June 2017 - 09:16 AM

Yes NTN bearing is the manufacturer in Japan. They make the tensioners for Subaru. They make other things like all Subaru's axles, etc. It's the only one that can be trusted unfortunately.

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Posted 21 June 2017 - 07:19 PM

That is the factory NTN unit, yes. No on NAPA or AutoZone. All junk.

Get NTN tensioner, Aisin water pump, and Mitsuboshi timing belt. The idler aren't usually a problem but we stick to Koyo and NSK.

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I called Subaru today to see about ordering these specific brands. They had no clue what I was talking about. NTN, Mitsuboshi, Aisin, Koyo, NSK he said would all be after market parts unless they are manufactured by these companies for Subaru, in which case he would need Subaru part numbers. Where do you normally purchase these parts from?

 

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Posted 21 June 2017 - 09:25 PM

The OE parts are manufactured by those companies for Subaru. When you order the correct parts, giving them your VIN, or the part numbers, if you wish to find the diagrams and look them up un your own, the parts you get will be made by the manufacturers names that GD listed.

 

If they had no clue, then.. they really have no clue!  :blink:



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Posted 21 June 2017 - 11:50 PM

Any shop or parts store that has an account with Worldpac or IMC. Both are national wholesalers and both carry these brands.

The dealer parts guy would know nothing of these brands since they use their own part numbering system, in their own boxes, and mark everything up 300%. The techs in the service department would know, but the parts guy deals in isle after isle of plain white boxes with part numbers labels. He don't know what's in em.

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Posted 22 June 2017 - 01:30 AM

The OE parts are manufactured by those companies for Subaru. When you order the correct parts, giving them your VIN, or the part numbers, if you wish to find the diagrams and look them up un your own, the parts you get will be made by the manufacturers names that GD listed.

 

If they had no clue, then.. they really have no clue!  :blink:


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Posted 22 June 2017 - 01:31 AM

Any shop or parts store that has an account with Worldpac or IMC. Both are national wholesalers and both carry these brands.

The dealer parts guy would know nothing of these brands since they use their own part numbering system, in their own boxes, and mark everything up 300%. The techs in the service department would know, but the parts guy deals in isle after isle of plain white boxes with part numbers labels. He don't know what's in em.

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Thank you GD, this info should help.
 



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Posted 22 June 2017 - 07:51 AM

Just an FYI. Napa can get NTN stuff. It's not what most of them would carry or come up first in their list, but they can get it. At least where I live. A Napa down by the largest dealer in my area, that is ALL they carry for Subaru is basically OEM.. NTN bearings, tensioners ect.. Asin water pumps. They don't carry anything else other than that, and they won't even order it for you.. Last time I bought a part there it was a water pump because I needed one and they had it. Told me due to come backs on the cheaper stuff breaking, they don't deal with anything else. Obviously brake pads and stuff they will sell the cheaper stuff, even CV axles I'm sure but I'm not sure New OEM  are even available outside of Subaru



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Posted 22 June 2017 - 07:52 AM

Just an FYI. Napa can get NTN stuff. It's not what most of them would carry or come up first in their list, but they can get it. At least where I live. A Napa down by the largest dealer in my area, that is ALL they carry for Subaru is basically OEM.. NTN bearings, tensioners ect.. Asin water pumps. They don't carry anything else other than that, and they won't even order it for you.. Last time I bought a part there it was a water pump because I needed one and they had it. Told me due to come backs on the cheaper stuff breaking, they don't deal with anything else. Obviously brake pads and stuff they will sell the cheaper stuff, even CV axles I'm sure but I'm not sure New OEM  are even available outside of Subaru



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Posted 22 June 2017 - 11:28 AM

NTN is the manufacturer. They make the part for Subaru. Aisin makes the pumps for Subaru...

I would replace the pulleys too. if I could feel them by hand and tell they're full of grease that's fine but I can't tell over the Internet and hesitate with someone unfamiliar with Subarus saying "it feels good". But that's the only way they fail - they get low on grease and quickly heat up and seize.

The lower toothed pulley is by far the most common to fail, and the belt can't slide over it , since it's toothed and inside the belt, like it does when the smooth idlers seize, it'll slide over those for awhile before it breaks - it's immediate bent valves, I'd at least replace that one.

Last timing belt I did a couple weeks ago was running perfectly and the belt was sliding over a seized pulley when I pulled it.

Not sure how it would come up if you don't get an aftermarket tensioner but just in case Don't use theaftermarket bolts they come with either. It's tempting to use the shiney new metal - don't do it.

Subaru water pump failure is rare and catastrophic failure on an average engine (never sat for years with water in it) is almost unheard of. So if money is tight you could skip that. But best to do it all right now and aim for 100,000k reliability, that should save you some money over the long haul.

If you buy the correct year EJ22 it's plug and play into the EJ25. No wiring or computer changes. It just bolts in and plugs in like it's an EJ25.

did you check www.car-part.com for any EJ22s?

Now that you know your EJ25 is good you could potentially sell it for the cost of buying an EJ22.

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Posted 23 June 2017 - 06:16 AM

Just an FYI. Napa can get NTN stuff. It's not what most of them would carry or come up first in their list, but they can get it. At least where I live. A Napa down by the largest dealer in my area, that is ALL they carry for Subaru is basically OEM.. NTN bearings, tensioners ect.. Asin water pumps. They don't carry anything else other than that, and they won't even order it for you.. Last time I bought a part there it was a water pump because I needed one and they had it. Told me due to come backs on the cheaper stuff breaking, they don't deal with anything else. Obviously brake pads and stuff they will sell the cheaper stuff, even CV axles I'm sure but I'm not sure New OEM  are even available outside of Subaru


I called NAPA for price quotes before I knew to ask for specific brands. So far the best prices I have found are from Amazon. Thank you for your input.
 



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Posted 23 June 2017 - 06:42 AM

NTN is the manufacturer. They make the part for Subaru. Aisin makes the pumps for Subaru...

I would replace the pulleys too. if I could feel them by hand and tell they're full of grease that's fine but I can't tell over the Internet and hesitate with someone unfamiliar with Subarus saying "it feels good". But that's the only way they fail - they get low on grease and quickly heat up and seize.

The lower toothed pulley is by far the most common to fail, and the belt can't slide over it , since it's toothed and inside the belt, like it does when the smooth idlers seize, it'll slide over those for awhile before it breaks - it's immediate bent valves, I'd at least replace that one.

Last timing belt I did a couple weeks ago was running perfectly and the belt was sliding over a seized pulley when I pulled it.

Not sure how it would come up if you don't get an aftermarket tensioner but just in case Don't use theaftermarket bolts they come with either. It's tempting to use the shiney new metal - don't do it.

Subaru water pump failure is rare and catastrophic failure on an average engine (never sat for years with water in it) is almost unheard of. So if money is tight you could skip that. But best to do it all right now and aim for 100,000k reliability, that should save you some money over the long haul.

If you buy the correct year EJ22 it's plug and play into the EJ25. No wiring or computer changes. It just bolts in and plugs in like it's an EJ25.

did you check www.car-part.com for any EJ22s?

Now that you know your EJ25 is good you could potentially sell it for the cost of buying an EJ22.


When you say you would replace "The Pulley's" are you referring to the idler's? I was planing on replacing the timing belt, timing belt tensioner, two smooth idler's, the toothed idler, the water pump and both fan belts. 
I was not planning on replacing the four cam pulley's unless they look worn or damaged. Input on those four pulley's would be appreciated but I felt they would be ok if they looked good. I have no clue how many miles are on the parts, I want everything that should be replace to prevent a failure for the long term replaced. If that means letting it sit a while till I can afford to do it right, then I let it sit. I do not need it right away.
Aside from the knocking tensioner I think the engine will sound fine after the timing components are replaced. Nice to know the EJ22 is plug & play, I would go with one if this engine fails. I think the engine and everything mechanical has been well maintained on the car. The lady said it started knocking and she just decided to get a new car. She had just had this one serviced and new tires put on when the knock developed. She was told it was a rod bearing and that the repairs would be be more than the car was worth.
Right now I am looking at around $250 to replace all the parts I listed. I will also add a tow package, another $120. And I would like to find a nice steel roof basket cargo carrier to mount to the roof rack.
I would like to replace the carpet, looks like OEM is the only thing available for carpet. Not sure I want to spend that much. There is a crack in the windshield and I will be replacing that also.

Thank you for your input, I appreciate it.

 



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Posted 23 June 2017 - 07:10 AM


Man, it was a hassle to add images to the gallery and figure out how to get them here. Hoping this works. I could not load several of the images of the car I took, it kept telling me they were forbidden, they were within the size limits, no clue why I was getting a forbidden message. But, here are a few pics of the car since I got it cleaned up. It was a mess inside when I started. The plastics were literally brown with dirt from the farm.


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