Mikevan10 Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 Seems to have killed it This is my niece's car' She only had for about 3,000 miles. What are my options regarding a replacement? Thanks guys, Mike V. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocei77 Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 You'd have to have a good person inspect the heads to see if you can get away with just the short block. I KNOW you can use the EJ from 06- 09. Not sure how much of later years you can use. O. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikevan10 Posted October 8, 2017 Author Share Posted October 8, 2017 What would be the relative availability of a good shot block versus a complete engine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 Best deal going is a Subaru reman short block. 3yr/36k warranty. About $2150 for the block. $200 core. The heads on the AVLS engines have a LOT of oil passages and must be cleaned thoroughly. It's quite a bit of work to insure the new block is not contaminated from the old heads, etc. Run synthetic in the new engine. Non synthetic and poor oil change frequency is what caused the consumption in the first place. GD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikevan10 Posted October 8, 2017 Author Share Posted October 8, 2017 Yikes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikevan10 Posted October 8, 2017 Author Share Posted October 8, 2017 So this is something (short block) I would buy from the Subaru dealer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 (edited) Yes Subaru of America contracts with a major rebuilder to provide remanufactured complete short block assemblies. They come with oil and water pumps, oil pan and pickup, etc. Any dealer parts department can get you one. Used engines go for around $2k+ anyway. So might as well get a brand new one. GD Edited October 8, 2017 by GeneralDisorder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirtokesalot Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 (edited) id buy a wrecked car with a good engine and swap it. could probly have a whole car with damaged body around 200 to 500. i currently know of a 95 legacy around here they've been asking 300 has a whole lot of rust but probly a good engine. probly wont work of a 2007 thogh. not sure if your going to find one or an 07 that easy. Edited October 8, 2017 by sirtokesalot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmdew Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 Check the Fort Collins CO Craigslist. There is a rolled Impreza with low mileage engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocei77 Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 Check the Fort Collins CO Craigslist. There is a rolled Impreza with low mileage engine. Won't help. He's in PA. O. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idosubaru Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 (edited) The short block is nice but: 1. they may not honor the warranty if this is a DIY install at home or by an untrained mechanic. Warranties sometimes explicitly state ASE or whatever mechanics/shop installation only. Normally I wouldn’t even flinch but that price tag and item I might look into how that works a little closer. 2. I’d make sure you get those heads cleaned. If installing on a $$$$ block I’d be inclined to just get another set of used heads if you can find a set that wasn’t run low on oil for reasonable enough cost. Edited October 8, 2017 by idosubaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThosL Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 Very sorry that happened, too bad it wasn't caught quickly, not sure that would have helped because lubrication protects in so many ways. I hope you find the best solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 All the parts department needs for the warranty from me is an invoice with customer name and VIN. I had to go through the warranty because I received a block with cylinder head bolt thread problems and even though it never made it into the car we had to treat it like a warranty. But yes there probably is some kind of stipulation that it be professionally installed. But ask the parts department. See what they say. It's still the best deal even if you pay someone to put the heads on it for you so you can get a "professional" receipt to validate the warranty. FWIW I haven't had a warranty issue yet (that wasn't obvious during assembly) with one of them. It ends up being just under $5k installed for the AVLS engines out the door through me. GD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairtax4me Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Car-part.com Pretty good chance that any engine with 125k miles or more has had the head gaskets replaced already. Drop it in make sure it runs well then do a timing kit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikevan10 Posted October 9, 2017 Author Share Posted October 9, 2017 Thanks for he comments guys. But you've heard this story before: The owner is strapped for money so I need to do this at a very low cost.... I just took a look at car-part.com and these 2007 motors aint cheap!! And it seems they installed SOHC as well as DOHC units in that model year? Bad situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golucky66 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) 2.5 SOHC is going to be NA. 2.5 DOHC is going to be turbo. For a 2007 MY Edited October 9, 2017 by golucky66 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikevan10 Posted October 9, 2017 Author Share Posted October 9, 2017 Thanks GL66. It's non-turbo, so SOHC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 Lucky Texan Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 check craigs list for someone parting-out a wreck? post a WTB in this Forum and maybe over at www.subaruoutback.org for an engine? you niece should network with close relatives and friends - maybe someone does some wrenching and could help her out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 (edited) The engines aren't cheap like I said. Best deal going is from Subaru. 0.0 miles and about the same price or just a few hundred more. Driving isn't cheap. Running your car out of oil even less so. If they own the car take out a loan against it. If they don't approach the bank about taking out more equity against it. Doing a halfway budget job of repairing it will only end badly. Do it once, do it right. GD Edited October 10, 2017 by GeneralDisorder 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike104 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Years ago I ran into a similar issue on my 99 OBW. Head gaskets. My choices (at the time) were another car, used engine, rebuilt engine, or replace head gaskets. I had read the stories about rod knock after head gaskets so was not looking doing that at the tune of $2k since I was going to have to pay someone to do it (dealer as not many independent Subaru shops near me). Was reluctant on the used engine (not knowing what you were getting) or the 2.2L swap (wasn't sure about doing that myself or getting someone to do it locally). Buying a short block would likely cause more labor costs in moving all the stuff over. Since I wasn't able to do the job myself I elected to buy a CCR rebuilt engine and have someone else put it in. In the long run it was the best choice for me as that engine now has over 200k on it since installed. If I was to do the job today, I would go with the Subaru short block. "Doing a halfway budget job of repairing it will only end badly. Do it once, do it right" is the best advice 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmdew Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Here you go. One you can drive out and pull the engine out of a nice rust free CO car. https://cosprings.craigslist.org/cto/d/2008-subaru-impreza-salvage/6339719182.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikevan10 Posted October 10, 2017 Author Share Posted October 10, 2017 What year range of 2.5 liter SOHC engines will be a direct swap-in (this is an automatic transmission if that is important) for this particular motor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 About 06 to 09. Some 10's I think Forester/Impreza. Nothing particularly old. car-part.com will do most of the interchange to you. They should list parts from alternate years that fit. GD 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobaru71 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 (edited) Exactly what I did, bought a CCR engine back in 2014 and had one of our more well-known members, Fairtax4me, install it. Did a stellar job & engine still going strong like the day I left the shop. CCR uses the turbo-HG's so it becomes a non-issue for the life of the vehicle. Pretty penny for sure but you know you're getting top of the line with CCR. ---------------------------------------- Years ago I ran into a similar issue on my 99 OBW. Head gaskets. My choices (at the time) were another car, used engine, rebuilt engine, or replace head gaskets. I had read the stories about rod knock after head gaskets so was not looking doing that at the tune of $2k since I was going to have to pay someone to do it (dealer as not many independent Subaru shops near me). Was reluctant on the used engine (not knowing what you were getting) or the 2.2L swap (wasn't sure about doing that myself or getting someone to do it locally). Buying a short block would likely cause more labor costs in moving all the stuff over. Since I wasn't able to do the job myself I elected to buy a CCR rebuilt engine and have someone else put it in. In the long run it was the best choice for me as that engine now has over 200k on it since installed. If I was to do the job today, I would go with the Subaru short block. "Doing a halfway budget job of repairing it will only end badly. Do it once, do it right" is the best advice Edited October 10, 2017 by Bobaru71 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikevan10 Posted October 12, 2017 Author Share Posted October 12, 2017 Ok, so I take it that I need a 2006 to 2009 SOHC 2.5. Does the type of trans (Auto versus Manual) matter? I am looking for plug and play and am worried that there may be some difference in the ECUs or wiring harnesses or something. Thanks again, Mike V. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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