LosDiosDeVerde86 Posted July 12, 2004 Share Posted July 12, 2004 I found that i can fit 215/70(possibly 75)R15 tires on my 96 Legacy LS without putting a lift or different suspension. For those of you who have moded your Brats or Legacys, if there anything needed to do as far as Power Steering Pump, Tie Rods, or Axles? Perhaps getting beefier ones? or will the stock stuff be fine to handle the bigger wheels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. RX Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 Hey there's an echo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosDiosDeVerde86 Posted July 13, 2004 Author Share Posted July 13, 2004 Hey there's an echo. yes yes...i posted this in the old gen. forum as well and it got moved....i guess that's a no no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorganM Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 I found that i can fit 215/70(possibly 75)R15 tires on my 96 Legacy LS without putting a lift or different suspension. For those of you who have moded your Brats or Legacys, if there anything needed to do as far as Power Steering Pump, Tie Rods, or Axles? Perhaps getting beefier ones? or will the stock stuff be fine to handle the bigger wheels It will handel that stuff JUST fine. I wouldnt worry about beefing up those parts untill you were going to put in a lift kit and some seriouse tires For instance putting on 33" tires you would need to start questioning durability of your parts. Even then I would prollly just put them on and find out !_! Dont wuss out put on the the 75s!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s'ko Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 The main thing you want to consider is what you plan on doing with the Legacy. Are you going to do some hard-core off-roading, or forest trail driving. Hard-core offroading mods have yet to be really attempted with the new gen soobs. 1) cars are still expensive and people, like me still owe money on them. 2) Older gen soobs are cheap to pick up and parts are readily available at PAP. In stock form, my OBS does really good. I have 6.5 inches of ground clearance so we are really not that far apart. I have no problem taking it places where you usually dont see passenger cars. It take finese driving to get through some trails that a stock Jeep can just plow through, but then again, Jeeps can't do a hard 4 wheel drift around corners like my OBS. You really need to watch out for is banging up your undercarriage. I have dented my exhaust headers, my cats are bashed up and my resonator on my exhaust is dinged and bent up. For forest trail driving. I just use steel rims w/my 205/55/r15 tires. Some used rally tires are next on my list of things. Money in the area of armor would be good if you do not plan to do a lift. Primitive technologies has a front end skid plate and there is an OEM rear diff guard that you can get. One easy mod if you want lift is to get some Outback Wagon (OBW) struts all around. It will give you a bit of a lift, that will allow for larger tires. Your stock ground clearance is 6.1 inches. The OBW would give you 7.3 inches of clearance. One other thing to look into is your approach angles. I look at the OBS radiator mounts and I think there is a way to raise it a few inches to give me more front approach angle. Will give details when I work it out. Mudrat79 sells a lift kit for the new gen soobs as well. PM me if you have any questions BW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrxsubaru Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 From alitle experiance off roading a newer gen, approch and departure angles were what were really holding me back when i was offroading a 90 legacy. It would be nice to get another couple inches of ground clearnce, got high center a couple times, but i ended up using the front end of the lgacy like a shovel many more times, it took away alot of momentume, and it dident fell that good to bouncing around that much. Also suspension trravel wasent that great, i would try maybe try taking off the sway bars for alillte more travel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s'ko Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 Lios... Are you sure about being able to fit 215/75/r15s? If that is the case it will put us in the range of light truck tires. like BFG Radial Mud Terrain T/A KM. Where did you get your info from. I would like to verify it before I plunk down 400 on BFGs. If you plan to do it, please keep me posted as to how they come out. BW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosDiosDeVerde86 Posted July 13, 2004 Author Share Posted July 13, 2004 Lios... Are you sure about being able to fit 215/75/r15s? If that is the case it will put us in the range of light truck tires. like BFG Radial Mud Terrain T/A KM. Where did you get your info from. I would like to verify it before I plunk down 400 on BFGs. If you plan to do it' date=' please keep me posted as to how they come out. BW[/quote'] i said this before, in a different thread. at work i was bored and trying on different tire sizes. i got up to 215/70R15 before i got boreder and went home. it looked as though there would be room for 75. i found a nice set of really aggressive Kelly off-road tires that are 205/75R15, which i'll probably try before the 215s. i also don't plan on doing a whole lot of serious off-roading. i live in pittsburgh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorganM Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Tires give you ground clearance, not lift kits. Lift kits just make it easier to put on big tires. So in your case that's why I'm lobbying so hard for the use of the biggest tires you can get on there. Definatly want an aggressive tread pattern. I think youll have plenty of fun with just tires, skid plates, and the garbonzo beans to just go for it when you are on the trail Just remember those scrapes and scratches are battle scars! I got plenty dirty in my old 90 Legacy wagon with the biggest tires I could fit on and nothing else. Rage it !_! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosDiosDeVerde86 Posted July 14, 2004 Author Share Posted July 14, 2004 http://www.kellytires.com/auto/products/sdtr.html That's what i'm looking at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s'ko Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 you should check out Paragon park. http://www.paragonap.com/index.htm It's in Hazleton PA. Not sure if that's Hazelton, but that's what they had on their website. So you actually have put the 215-70-r15s on your Legacy. Hmmmm.... In terms of fitment, should I have the tire shop check the front to make sure there is no rubbing? Also how much are the Kelly tires that you posted? Thanks for the leg work on this. BW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorganM Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Dang those tires are MEAN! Go for it man! I think youll have a fun little trail rider Invest in some basic recovery gear too Ya know, snatch strap, come-a-long, high lift jack, shovel, etc etc I wanna see some pics of them tires bolted on and some dirt on the fenders !_! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosDiosDeVerde86 Posted July 14, 2004 Author Share Posted July 14, 2004 you should check out Paragon park. http://www.paragonap.com/index.htm It's in Hazleton PA. Not sure if that's Hazelton' date=' but that's what they had on their website. So you actually have put the 215-70-r15s on your Legacy. Hmmmm.... In terms of fitment, should I have the tire shop check the front to make sure there is no rubbing? Also how much are the Kelly tires that you posted? Thanks for the leg work on this. BW[/quote'] i checked the price book at work and the suggested retail is $96.00 but that's for the 2nd quarter, and i belive this is the third. with oil prices on the rise, they're probably more expensive. I only put 1 of the 215/70R15s on and i put in in the front. no rubbing when turning the wheel and no rubbing when bouncing the car. though, keep in mind that i tried it with a GoodYear Integrity which is a passenger car tire and starts with 11/32 of tread, whereas the light truck/offroad tires normally start with around 17 or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosDiosDeVerde86 Posted July 14, 2004 Author Share Posted July 14, 2004 Dang those tires are MEAN! Go for it man! I think youll have a fun little trail rider Invest in some basic recovery gear too Ya know, snatch strap, come-a-long, high lift jack, shovel, etc etc I wanna see some pics of them tires bolted on and some dirt on the fenders !_! right now i have the Dunlop SP Sport A2's on it right now and there's still a bit of tread. if i do this, i'll probably do it in time for winter. no sense is wasting 4 perfectly good tires. so it'll be some time before i get any pics up of anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosDiosDeVerde86 Posted July 14, 2004 Author Share Posted July 14, 2004 you should check out Paragon park. http://www.paragonap.com/index.htm It's in Hazleton PA. Not sure if that's Hazelton' date=' but that's what they had on their website. BW[/quote'] holy hell ....keep in mind that i'm only putting big tires on it. i'm not doing any suspension work and engine work.......i am, keep in mind, a "poor college student" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s'ko Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 My brother is planning to go to Paragon this winter. He has a lifted jeep and a Rubicon. IIRC the park has a variety of trails from mild to wild. I will recon the place and give a write up when I get done. Too bad I will be MOPAR power and not doing it FHI style. One thing you might want to consider if it's in your budget is getting a cheap set of steel wheels and putting your mudding tires onto them. I have a set of WRX rims I picked up for cheap and when I go wheeling I put on my steel rims. When you said that thing about Passanger tires vs. Truck tires what did you mean by that.... please explain as I am a dofus when it comes to tires.. BW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorganM Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 I hear you man; budgets are tough Thats why I have an old '88 GL wagon !_! That recovery equipment is very cheap. Most expensive piece is the come a long and i paid $26 for a 2 ton come along from Fleet Farm. The rest can be had for very cheap. With out ground clearance youll prolly want atleast a snatch strap Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s'ko Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 That recovery equipment is very cheap. Most expensive piece is the come a long and i paid $26 for a 2 ton come along from Fleet Farm. The rest can be had for very cheap. With out ground clearance youll prolly want atleast a snatch strap Peace Yeah. It's funny how many trucks and jeeps don't carry stuff here in California. I had to offer my stuff twice when I last went wheeling. Keep us appraised on your progress. BW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosDiosDeVerde86 Posted July 15, 2004 Author Share Posted July 15, 2004 When you said that thing about Passanger tires vs. Truck tires what did you mean by that.... please explain as I am a dofus when it comes to tires.. BW tread deapth on tires (at least in the US) is measured by 32nds of an inch. brand new 215/75R15 passenger car tires are, in a sense, smaller because they only come with around 11/32nds of tread depth. Truck tire are larger (new) because they normally come with around 17/32nds of tread depth. So, when you see 215/75R15, this is NOT taking tread depth into account. make sense????:-\ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s'ko Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 yep. makes perfect sense. One thing that I did think of while coming to work this morning. When you fitted the 215/70/r15 did it look like there would be enough room to account for strut travel? BW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorganM Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 yep. makes perfect sense. One thing that I did think of while coming to work this morning. When you fitted the 215/70/r15 did it look like there would be enough room to account for strut travel? BW He said no rubbing when bouncing on the car so thats a good estimate. Wont know really till you STUFF a tire up there Might jack up the car by a control arm and really see how it will behave with the tire stuffed up in the well good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s'ko Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 He said no rubbing when bouncing on the car so thats a good estimate. Wont know really till you STUFF a tire up there Might jack up the car by a control arm and really see how it will behave with the tire stuffed up in the well good. Yeah. now comes the big dilema.... get used rally tires 205/55/r15 for 50 bucks a piece get 215/75/r15 for 100 bucks a piece, or wait and get OBW struts and figure out how to do a mild 1-2 inch lift and get big meats? decisions decisions...... oh.. wait.. I guess getting engaged and married will probably come before these. BW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosDiosDeVerde86 Posted July 15, 2004 Author Share Posted July 15, 2004 Yeah. now comes the big dilema....get used rally tires 205/55/r15 for 50 bucks a piece get 215/75/r15 for 100 bucks a piece' date=' or wait and get OBW struts and figure out how to do a mild 1-2 inch lift and get big meats? decisions decisions...... oh.. wait.. I guess getting engaged and married will probably come before these. BW[/quote'] i dont want anyone to be quoting me on the tires. i'm sure if they'll work. i suggest trying it out for yourself before you take my word on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s'ko Posted July 27, 2004 Share Posted July 27, 2004 so after some looking I think 4wheel parts has a tire that I may get. http://www.4wheelparts.com/4wp/products/productLine.asp?cat=TIR&prodline=1024&catName=Tires&man=INTE So its right in the middle of 215/70/R15 and 215/75/r15. Overall diameter would be 27.5 inches. Will probably match them to a set of US wheels white wagon wheel rims to give it the old school look. There is a store near me so I will wait for a sale on Swampers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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