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#1 grant

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Posted 25 September 2004 - 06:50 PM

NOTE: We had a power outage a few minutes ago. My buddy hosts the interesting photos on this page (the subaru that looks like a bath tub and the one with the fenders missing and tire chains). I have no idea how long it will take them to get it back up.


Here are pictures from Alaska:

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I think that one is an 81 or so. Chains and plastic doors.

This one is supposed to be a late model 80s. 31" truck tires and a welded rear end.

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The tires on the orange chevy below are 45" tall. Deep water. :)


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That's all I've got for now...

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Posted 25 September 2004 - 06:52 PM

Looks like the internet backfired. One picture lost its way...

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Posted 25 September 2004 - 06:54 PM

Lookin good. I remember wheelin in Jims Creek as a kid. I grew up in Wasilla & Anchorage, and a good friend of mine in Anchorage had a father who worked for Alaska 4 Wheel Drive. Him and his friends all had built Chevy's and Jeeps. That mud and silt that comes from the glacier is no joke! Ive seen it swallow full size trucks with 44's without flinching.

Great pix, definatly got some original idea's there. Wish i was still up there now that all the subaru freaks come out of the woodwork.

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Posted 25 September 2004 - 06:55 PM

I promise, this is the last of what I have on subarus...

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I forgot about another subaru related thing I have, although its not completely subaruish...just a sec...

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Posted 25 September 2004 - 07:04 PM

Below is a post I made to the Alaskan Offroad website. While not totally subaru related, or maybe even old generation related, the insane people in here should enjoy it.

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Well, to me this isn't too hard core. The subaru was in fact my second welding "project" after the plow. Well, maybe it is hard core that a "vehicle" a few inches longer than a crew cab can turn tighter than a jeep and go down a 5 foot wide trail. :D

I brough home a subaru from KCC back when I was in high school. They were going to throw it away, so I parted it out in the back yard and then needed to throw it away. So I cut in half. (to load it into the pickup) Then I was looking at it and noticed it would be pretty cool to turn it into a trailer.

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1996 Ploaris 400 with automatic
1990 Subaru Justy ECVT (removed all junk including sway bar and tank)
1985 Nissan Sentra 4 dr (removed all junk like the gas tank, no sway bar)

The Nissan probably weighs 300lbs, subaru probably 250. The Subaru is MUCH better balanced than the nissan. The nissan only has positive tongue weight when a 1x1x.5 steel brick is added to the hitch point.

IMPOSSIBLE to stop going down hills, IMPOSSIBLE to slow down going down hills. possible to stop/slow from reasonable speeds at reasonable steering angles. Panic stops straight a head ONLY. We're talking about a 800lb 4 wheeler pulling around TWO trailers weighing ~100-200 more than the 4 wheeler. Thats like offroading in an F250 with a 7k trailer and no brakes benind you. I will not be responsible for stupid people who don't take this warning seriously. Before taking ANY passengers, drive the train yourself and purposely jack knife all trailers at least a few dozen times. This is dangerous for the 4 wheeler driver, and when all the limitations are known can fill the faces of guests with huge smiles.

I wish I had 3rd person shots of this train. It looks SOO cool offroad, but even better going through ditches. Its like a big snake the length of a crew cab pickup. The 4 wheeler makes a 3 foot 80 degree ascent from the ditch, the nissan is slammed backwards and then launched out of the ditch due to the small tires. The hitch slams into the dirt. When the nissan starts to come out of the ditch the subaru tongue gets shoved into the dirt. Then the subaru hops out (hard to describe this, its got real bouncy coil overs). Then the 4 wheeler goes down...etc.

Oh yeah, gravel driveways at a 20* slope will almost kill the train. A 4 wheeler with locked front andrear is needed for this, so no cheap limited slip 4 wheelers allowed!

I also designed the hitches with tongues long enough to compensate for a 4 wheeler turning radius. I can spin almost spin a 100" circle.

Btw, Trees grow straight up and down. So compare that to the rickshaw. :) I take this places that no jeep could go. Man, its cool. :) :TU:

Pictures taken with a junk video camera strapped to the cargo rack of the 4 wheeler. Next summer I am going to film shots (setup the shots on purpose) to get content for the offroad video.

Be patient for the photos...

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Posted 25 September 2004 - 07:06 PM

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Without the nissan, I can hot rod that thing. You can barely feel this subaru and three people. MUCH safer too. You have to be careful, because you can get going too fast with it.

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Hauling a toyota engine for Trevor.
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An understanding family, father, really helps with the build process. :D

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Old hitch design. Works good, lots of slop. Used a receiver hitch pin upside down.

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Andrew and I made this hitch. I also put a set like this on the back of the nissan. Completely un restricted motion. Will jack knife 180 degrees sideways, descent and approach 180 degrees, and spin freely. Interference fit 1/2" stainless bolt and locking nut.

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Beta testing hitch function. rig and nissan are on flat ground, Subaru is jack knifed on on a 45* grade.

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Posted 25 September 2004 - 07:08 PM

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Future mods, cover up the sharp metal edges. :TU: Also want to add handles for people to hold on. I go over bumps and logs that make people fly up off their seats. :D

If you think this is cool, I can help you build one. I have the computer program saved that cuts the hitch parts. There isn't even $3 of metal in that hitch.

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All right. So tell me, will I fit in here...or should I go home while I'm a head? ;)

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Posted 25 September 2004 - 09:15 PM

Dude, is this logjam-grant from the PBB? I think I saw these pics while surfing the pirate board! Oh wait, I remember, I found the alaska 4x4 board through PBB.

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Posted 27 June 2006 - 07:02 PM

A little late, but yep. I am logjam in other places.

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Posted 27 June 2006 - 08:02 PM

i have no words for what you have done :eek:

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Posted 27 June 2006 - 08:47 PM

Grant, where are you located, and where did you go wheeling?

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Posted 27 June 2006 - 11:27 PM

Powered trailers? lol!
Looks like a blast! :headbang:

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Posted 27 June 2006 - 11:39 PM

None of the pictures are "mine" except the rickshaw ones and those are on hillside in Anchorage.

I almost got a subaru to build up a year ago, but I finally got a wrecked Tracker (BIG atv with a heated cab) ;)

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One thing that you guys would be interested in is this subaru trailer.

Its made out of the rear 4 bolt torsion axle from a 2 wheel drive subaru. Just bolt the axle to a trailer to a frame and add shocks and you have a REAL NICE trailer! :) I've put around 1500lbs of stuff on one before. Its real soft and sucks up the bumps nice...

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Posted 28 June 2006 - 12:21 AM

Nice trailer Grant, any close up pics of the 2wd rear end?

Making a jet boat trailer, wanted to match the rims with the Ute's.
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Posted 28 June 2006 - 01:01 AM

Hey thanks for bringing up that old thread. I was wanting to see those trailers and Subes again. Seems like there's a lot of twisted creative engineering that comes out of Alaska and Australia...I like it! Nice work.!

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Posted 28 June 2006 - 08:00 AM

its interesting this thread is the first one on USMB I read a year ago when I did a search on the net for offroad subarus:eek:

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Posted 28 June 2006 - 11:51 AM

Alaskans are a different breed, I LOVE IT!!

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Posted 29 June 2006 - 07:16 AM

i would guess a lot of PBR was required to conjure up something as cool as this??:grin:

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Posted 29 June 2006 - 08:06 AM

Alaskans are a different breed, I LOVE IT!!

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This is true. I grew up on the Kenai peninsula.There I learned how tough and unstoppable subarus really are.A friend of mine had an early 80's wagon that he used to jump in the ditches along the road. And just run the logging trails full speed.The cops hated us when I was growing up,tearing down the dirt roads and making lots of noise just running a straight pipe exhaust.Just ask anyone from Alaska if the Caribou Hills are at all chalanging?I was able to make a few big trucks mad in a stock suby.

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Posted 29 June 2006 - 05:07 PM

Alaskans are a different breed, I LOVE IT!!

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Posted 30 June 2006 - 03:39 AM

where is lights for tracker?

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Posted 30 June 2006 - 07:42 AM

where is lights for tracker?


It is most likely a summer rig and you just don't need them till about october.I guess most people don't know that unless you have been there.

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Posted 30 June 2006 - 01:24 PM

You don't need lights until October but the police can still give you tickets.

I only recently started driving it on the streets. I now have headlights, turn signals, and license plates on the front.

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Posted 30 June 2006 - 07:08 PM

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Nice tires..... Guess there not road worthy though :(

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Posted 30 June 2006 - 08:21 PM

They "run" on the road, but they are not DOT approved. Plus they would wear out quickly.

I run 235/75R15 tires and tow the terra tires on a subaru trailer behind me. The terra tires are 31.5" tall and 15" wide. They are for a 15" rim.

They are the smallest tractor tire I've ever seen used on vehicles. There are some smaller ones that a subaru might handle, but I've never priced them out. I have collected a bunch of tires and put together a picture:

All of these tire images are to scale.

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LEFT TO RIGHT:

31x15.5-15 - .75" tread - $175 - Goodyear Terra Tire, mounted on wide rim
31x15.5-15 - .75" tread - $202 - Goodyear Traction Tire, mounted on narrower than factory specified rim
35x14.5-15 - ??? - SS TSL, 1/8" tread remaining, just for scale...
11.2-16 (35.5x11.8-16) - 1 3/8" tread - $148 - Goodyear DynaTorque II (small version of far right)
18.4-16.1 (44.8x20.1-16.1) - 1.6" tread - $499 - Firestone Traction Field and Roadmeasures 42" with no air, bias ply... Same as the good year Traction Sure Grip
18.4-16.1 (45x18-16.1) - 1.6" tread - $230 FOB - "American Farmer Apple", air pressure has a lot to do with final height on this one, radial ply
18.4-16.1 (44.7x18.6-16.1) - 1.6" tread - $399 - Titan Hi-Traction Lug R-1
19.5-24 (50.6x18-24) - 1.2" tread - $350 - Chinese R-4 Bias Industrial Tractor Tire
19.5x24 (50.6x19-24) - 1.2" tread - $350 - Chinese R-4 Radial Industrial Tractor Tire
16.9x24 (52.7x17-24) - 1.6" tread - $304 - Goodyear DynaTorque II

More later, I'm tired!

Here is the tracker pulling my F150. It has slightly bigger tires. ;) Not subaru related, but neat! :)

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This is the tire I wanted to put on the outback I've got. But I think instead of cutting it up my brother is going to repair it and drive it. Its not as big as it looks. ;) Its 35.5 inches tall.

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