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Offroad tires for the subaru. small write up, suby 4x4 tires

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#1 Guest_Rooinater_*

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Posted 24 July 2003 - 09:46 AM

Cooper Discoverers are suposed to be a good dual purpose tire.
For the 15 inch rim they have the exact size and demensions of a interco super swamper SSR that i'm putting on my car. Actually that is what Qman has on his brat right now on the 15" 6 lug rim. they are radials and are ok for dual purpose.

depending on the type of wheeling and wether more for show or play. will determine the type of tire you get. the swampers and other mud terrains are an excellant choice for all terrain wheeling, i.e. mud, snow, pavement, rocks, hilclimbing. now the a/t tread design is better for the road more than anything else. smaller voids can't clean the mud out that well. but all terrains are supposed to be good for sand. help keep you afloat instead of digging in the sand.

now for the not wanting to cut the fenders. well almost anything 25" and up with a decent amount of wheeling can touch or rub. be steady and clean on the cuts. when i originally cut my fenders i cut the front so that the cut hides behind the little bumper sides. see my website.

These are the swamper ssr's 27"
<img src="http://www.4wheelparts.com/images/sstssrtire.gif" style="border:0;"/>

26" highliner and 27" ground hawgs
these are ground hawgs and the same pattern as my present highliner 7.00x14 tires
<img src="http://www.4wheelparts.com/images/groundh.gif" style="border:0;"/>

185's and up
depending on what type of wheelng all terrains and Mud terrains these are cooper dicoverers A/T and the SST
<img src="http://www.coopertire.com/us/en/images/tires/discovererSTT.jpg" style="border:0;"/>
<img src="http://www.coopertire.com/us/en/images/tires/discovererLT.jpg" style="border:0;"/>

These are MikeW's kumho tires 27"
i was told by les schwab these aren't made anymore but kumho says that they do, but les schwab don't sell them
<img src="http://www.kumhousa.com/images/Products/Tires/834.jpg" style="border:0;"/>

EZap is running the cooper discoverer sst (mud terrain. I am presently fitting my car with the ssr's but presently have the highliners, tex is running the ssr's and so is QMan. Subafly is going to be running the highliners. last i saw MikeW is running Kumhos m/t. i think noah is running the swampers too, along with other board members.

Tire info sites

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Posted 24 July 2003 - 11:29 AM


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Posted 24 July 2003 - 01:39 PM

I am running the Cooper Discoverer STT 205/75R14 and i love them. Eric is right about the sidewall, i have been left in some muddy ruts before... but never stuck. Was always able to drive out of whatever I drove into. In the snow is where they REALLY shine! Deflated to 10psi i was able to crawl over hardpack snow that was well over 2' deep. Kept up with 2 jeeps and a Toyota truck.

When i was doing my research when buying tires, i decided to go with the Kumho's, but you cannot find them any longer. www.tirerack.com lists them, but good luck finding a warehouse with a set in R14 available.


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Posted 24 July 2003 - 02:55 PM

these also work really well in the mud...

they used to be available in 27x8.50x14, but now the smallest is a 215/75R15 (27.8")

<img src="http://www.bfgoodrichtires.com/images/catalog/tires/mud_terrain_large.jpg" style="border:0;"/>

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Posted 24 July 2003 - 06:40 PM

Where did you find a 215/75/R15 BFG? Smallest I could find was 235/75/R15, but I didnt look around much at all either. On the SSR (27x9.50?/R15) what does the rim width have to be?

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Posted 24 July 2003 - 07:55 PM

How about BF Goodrich All-Terrain tires?

Clearance issues: Will 25" tires fit an ea82 wagon with no trimming of sheetmetal? Also, what is the narrowest tire that can be mounted on standard 14" Isuzu or Toyota truck rims?

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Posted 24 July 2003 - 08:23 PM

I found the tires listed on the bfg website...


the 14" pugs can handle 185 up to 225 that I know of... (i'm running 225/70R14's right now....

235's should fit too, as they would be just slightly narrower than the 9.50's....

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Posted 24 July 2003 - 08:32 PM

im using the kumho's... i think they're awesome!!!! i drive like a maniac and the tires take it!! i still have a lot of tread left, and i've had em since oct 02.......... i like them a lot, and im gonna keep using em.......they work great all around, snow, mud, dry pavement, wet pavement, it doesnt matter, they also work awesome in the dirt (especially while going sideways:rollin: ) anyway, i like em, and i would suggest them to anyone!!! oh y eah one more thing, i got mine off of tirerack.com, and i believe i paid somewhere around $400 for five of them, shipped!!

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Posted 24 July 2003 - 11:35 PM

HEY everyone!! check this out! I was searching and searching all afternoon.. and I found these tires that www.tyres1.com sells!!

Buckshot Radial Mudders

28.6 x 8.7 for 14" rims! (225/85/R14 metric) and it looks like they would fit reall nicely!


It looks like this is the only place I can find to sell them, but they are decently priced none the less at $97 each, I know this is what I am getting definetly


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Posted 25 July 2003 - 09:07 AM

They would fit nicely if you put in a lift and do lots of chopping to the wheel wells.

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Posted 25 July 2003 - 09:41 AM

Ground Hawgs/ highliner 26"/27" tires

excellent off road grip. they have pulled me through everything. the one thing that these do have disadvantage to the swampers is no offset lug pattern or sidewall grips. but they grip onto anything. fairly soft bias ply tire. the sidewall is very thick and strong (i sheared off a six inch strip off the bead of my rim. not damaging the tire)
on road, buy a set of ear plugs!! they are fairly loud. approximately as loud as the tsl's. if you like the constant sound of a B-52 Bomber flying down the runway. these would be an excellent choice for onroad tires. i have not noticed any under or oversteer problems with them. they handle similar to car tires. but be more careful on wet road ways. due to less contact with the road than street tires.
in the snow they like to dig if you don't air them down to 6psi. being that the highliners are only 7 inches wide. which really help to cut through the mud.
Price: approx $75 for the highliner, 4wheelparts sells the ground hawgs for i believe under a hundred dollars.

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Posted 26 July 2003 - 12:46 AM

One Tire You haven't considered yet is the WildCat EXT

I have been running my 29x8.5x15 Wildcats for almost 4 years Now, And Have had very good luck with them in all conditions....

I had My tires Siped when New, And have never needed to chain up with them on the BEAST......Good Mud throwers, Good Sand and Snow walkers aired down, and Ok for noise on the street...

I believe the Smallest size anyore is a 215x75x15......But don't hold me to that......

Later all, John in Eugene......

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Posted 27 July 2003 - 01:38 AM

hello, I was told that a 25 inch tire will actually speed my brat up. here is the quote. is what this guy says true? (no disrespect to the guy, but I want to make sure)

JCDENTON: if you ask me, go with stock pug wheels, 185SR14.. its what I have on currently, and they just barely fit in the wheel wells with no trimming, but everyonce in a while youl'll hear a scrape backing up, so I did a little trimming anyway.. as far as response its a blast, the tires are a good size to where they actually sped my RU up rather than slow it down cause of it utilizing the torque output more, and its still enought to go blasting around in the hills cause they are big enough to keep the underside clear of rocks & stuff


what do you think?
So if he is right, what I will probablay do is get a 4" inch lift and fifteen inch pugs and then a 25" X 7" or 8" inch tire.
also, does anybody know how to recalibrate a speedo so it will read right with a bigger tire?

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Posted 27 July 2003 - 11:57 AM

I still stand by that, for MY experience. Thats specifically with an EA81 wagon (with a 5sp d/r). If you have something like an EA82 Turbo, the response might be different because of the final drive ratio, and turbos really only being ahead of the game at upper RPM's

(what car do you have btw?)

to recalibrate your speedo, I would recommend calculating it out according to engine rpm vs gear ratios etc... and just mark it on the spedometer.... (60 mph on the spedo means about 73 actual or so)


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Posted 27 July 2003 - 12:40 PM

I know this doesn't really fit into the offroad catagory, but a list of larger tires fitting under a stock Roo wouldn't be a bad idea.. It would help eliminate this constantly repeated question.


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Posted 27 July 2003 - 08:59 PM

I have a 1984 SUBARU BRAT GL
but I do want to put a 5spd in eventually.

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Posted 28 July 2003 - 09:39 AM

i never have looked into stock car tire types and sizes. this was stirctly for the subaru offroad enthusiust. i wanted something they could referance too, so they had an idea of what we use and what we can get for our subies. so i found most all of what i found when i was looking for a 26 to a 28 inch tall tires. i figured i would give the knowledge i had found while looking for tires for my car.

i forgot to mention one tire that les schwab had that would fit my car. it was about a 27" tall tractor tire. but being the fact i was listing tires that could be drove on the street. i didn't think to list it. so if anyone wants a suby for mud bogging, they have tractor tires that will fit on the 14" rims.

they don't speed the car up but they'll definately make the speedo tell you you are going slower. my speedo is 10- 12 mph off at 60-70mph, so when it says i'm doing 60 i'm doing 70.

speedo calculators. this site has links to a speedometer recalculater


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Posted 28 July 2003 - 11:04 PM

Sorry Jared. That's not what I meant. I was just thinking of others posting tires they have had successfully mounted with and/or without mods..read fender beating.


#19 Guest_Rooinater_*

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Posted 29 July 2003 - 05:33 PM

no offense. i understand what you meant. the purpose was offroad, but yes one for street tires could be made. go for it.

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Posted 30 July 2003 - 10:57 AM

Wal-mart is everywhere and they have suitable tires for our roos when used with a lift and 14" wheels:


I have run these tires for 4 years and they still work great and have plenty of tread on them. They are only $45 a piece with 45k tread warranty.



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Posted 03 August 2003 - 11:06 PM

Hey there,

just wanted to say thanks for posting all the info and opinions.... Eventually, I want to be putting some on my car, after it's lifted...this all gives me something to think about..

Thanks from the new guy,


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Posted 04 August 2003 - 02:08 AM

what would one expect to pay per tire on all of your examples?

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Posted 03 September 2003 - 01:07 PM

Hmm LOTS of info in here. Hard to digest it all. Any new personal recomendations for a 1988 GL wagon wiht 3" lift? I want largest that will fit, offroadability and a good price. All else are just details :)

I know with size and quality comes more $$$ so bottom line its gotta be affordable. I'm on a very tight budget and a short deadline here.

I will read this thread over a couple more times and see what I come up with but recomendations are greatly appricated!


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Posted 03 September 2003 - 06:14 PM

i'm going to say the Super Swamper SSR's are your best bet. at around 106 dollars a pop from 4wheelparts.com

but the coopers are supposed to be good and cheaper. no sidewall lugs, so mud and ruts they aren't as great.

Kumos are supposed to be really good too but you have to find someone that sells them.

I suggest the swampers. my family has been wheeling them for around 6 years and on the trail they are pretty much unmatched. not to mention a lot of the hp has been changing over to them. tex, Qman, Zapar, Austin, Noah and I. have or are running them. they are great! the best all around tire for subaru's

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Posted 03 September 2003 - 06:23 PM

OH how I would LOVE to strap on some Swampers... trust me :D but at $106 each I have a hard time talking myself into spending $450 on tires let alone how to convince my wife I need to spend more on tires then I bought the car fore :eek:

Lets cary the conversation over to my new thread tho! Maybe someone knows where to pick up used ones?

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