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Winter Tire Comparison (archive this?)
Posted 16 October 2002 - 06:49 AM
Recent posting from the i-club:
Okay, after checking my PM's, & the requests for info, I am reposting my last years review of winter tires I have had exp. with. Remember this is just my two cents worth. FWIW, this winter I am using studded Hankook W401's.
From personal experience (PE)and tire testing sessions (TS), this is what I have come up with:
Nokian Hakkapeliitta Q (TS,AWD) - 2001's best overall winter tire, proper tire compromises or snow & ice traction, braking, noise, & handling; expensive; hard to get (here).
Bridgestone Blizzak WS-15 (PE,FWD) - good for city, not deep snow; quiet; very stable & predictable tire on all surfaces; excellent braking; price is reasonable; winter tread wears quickly to reveal all-season.
Michelin Pilot Alpin (TS,AWD) - terrible deep snow tire; very good, but not great ice tire; squirmy on all surfaces; relatively expensive; last long.
Dunlop Winter Sport M2 (TS,AWD) - Good deep snow tire; decent on ice; stable ride; confident braking; wear above avg.; price competitive.
Dunlop Graspic HS-2 (PE,FWD) - great ride; stable/predicatable ice tire, not for deep snow; very good braking; price is good value.
Pirelli Winter 190P, now called 210P (TS,AWD) - Good, not great, ice & deep snow tire; noisy; hard ride; squirmy on cold dry; okay braking; decent value; wear quicker than expected.
Goodyear Ultra Grip Ice - (TS,AWD) Noisy; good in deep snow, okay on ice; decent braking; squirmy on all surfaces; nice ride; competitively priced.
Yokohama Guardex 600 (PE,FWD) Excellent on ice; good on deep snow; nice ride; stable & predictable on all surfaces; very good braking & handling; not squirmy at all; long wearing; reasonbale price.
Hankook WS401 (PE,AWD) - Good on ice, great in deep snow; li'l noisy; very stable; very good braking; squirmy on dry; great ride; studable; long wearing for a Q-rated; excellent price & value.
Hankook WS400 (PE,AWD) - Good on ice & snow; relatively quiet; very stable; good braking; squirmy; great ride; long wearing H-rated; excellent price & value.
Uniroyal M+S (if you can find it) (PE,AWD) awesome deep snow tire, poor ice tire; very noisy; predictable; stable; great breaking on snow, okay on ice; great price; choice of forest rangers and winter rally racers on a budget.
Motomaster (CDN Tire)Nordic Ice Trac (PE,FWD) - excellent price, great value, made by Bridgestone (so CDN Tire tells me); good for city, not deep know; quiet; very stable on all surfaces; excellent braking; limited sizes.
These are just my personal opinions on these tires.
Tire Testing Session: I was invited by a friend of mine who writes for several western newspapers to join him a a test of winter tires that was being sponsored by tire companies and the CAA. It was filmed by CBC to prove the benefits of seasonal specific tires, and shown as a 1/2 hour pseudo documentary/PSA aired on Sunday afternoons before & during key traveling holiday weekends. All TS tires were the same size (60series) on a Volvo
Personal Exp: My family is a big believer in Winter tires. You'd have to be where I live and the active lifestyle we all lead. There are 4 cars every year that are used during winter (6 in total). We all work in the city but live in an area where snow removal is dependent on mother nature. I like to play with my cars in the snow alot, so I'm always testing the limits of any tire I have on. Our family has been through 8 AWD cars (6 Subarus) so our
exp w/ AWD is reliable. The RWD cars do not see the snow at all. Most of my miles are put on during the winter. We ski alot so tires see all the miles they can handle, averaging 15K during winter alone.
I just thought I might quash any future questions that might get asked. Like I stated before, this is just my 2 cents on winter tires. I am in no way an expert but have decent experience w/ them.
I recommend getting Q-rated tires for winter. This is the originating technology behind winter tires. The development of siping came a year after. This is a very soft compound so they wear quickly on dry pavement, even if it is cold. To get the most winter mileage, avoid using them if it is not consistently cold, winter conditions. One day using a winter tire in 15 degree weather can wear as much as 1% of the total tread. It might not seem like much but it adds up quickly. Q-rated tires do NOT mean that they are soft riding tires, only that the tread compound is soft. Ride depends largely on the sidewall stiffness of a tire. Every manufacturer has its own view of what is better for winter. Some belive that a softer sidewall will allow the tire to adapt to the road surface while others belive that a stiffer sidewall is needed to break through road debris and snow to the surface of the road. Guess it depends on how you look at it. If you do lots of highway driving during winter, consider getting and H-rated winter tires. They wear better than the Q-rated but offer the same siping technology that is in all current winter tires. The tread compound is NOT the same as H-rated all-season tires so do not expect them do handle the same. They are similar in compound to Q-rated tires but offer a higher speed rating. The higher speed rating may be achieved through the construction of the tire or tread pattern.
If you plan on skiing or going to the mountains even once during winter, get a tire that is good in deep snow, look for lots of tread depth and larger block spacing. But, be prepared for poorer, more squirmy road manners & increased tire noise. Not all winter tires are good in deep snow. Most of the winter tire line-ups have been geared toward grip on ice since most ppl drive in urban areas where snow removal is common. Siping technology is
geared towards achieving grip on an inherently slippery surface. A tire that is great on ice & poor in snow will be worse off than having all-seaon tires during a snow storm. Of course, the only time you'll get stuck in a snow storm is when you ignore a severe weather warning, right?. Not worth the risk in my opinion. Since most winter tires benefit from siping (ice traction) technologies, you might as well get something that has a li'l of both worlds, ice & snow capabilities.
Some ppl might argue that you should always get the best winter tire possible, despite cost, afterall, how much does one value ones own life or family. While this may be true, an argumant can be made that a $60 winter tire with the same technology as a more expensive tire will NOT perform 3 times worse than a tire that costs 3x more. Everybody wants the best value.
Some believe that is buying the most expensive, most highly acclaimed product going. Some believe it means doing your homework.
Whatever winter tire you purchace in Canada, make sure it is certified by Transport Canada. Otherwise it is NOT a winter tire. The designation "M+S" on many all-season tires is believed to mean that it has mud & snow capabilities. The respective Government institutes in Canada, France, Germany, & the US do not recognise the "M+S" as having any meaning whatsoever. It is purely a marketting gimmick... that works.
"Jeff M." <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote in message
> Hi, I recently bought a 2002 2.5 TS Sport Wagon. I'm living in Canada, and
> there's a lot of snow in winter. I'm wondering if the AWD will work more
> efficiently with high quality snow tires....than the cheaper ones like
> Snowtracker for exemple. And how about the wear resistance? I heard that
> Bridgestones Blizzaks are high quality but they wear a lot.
> What you guys are using in winter?
> I heard also about a brand named Nokian Hakkapeliitta Q. If someone know
> these tires, can you tell me if they perform well and if they wear
> or rapidly.
> Thanks in advance for your help!
> '02 2.5 TS Sport Wagon
Posted 16 October 2002 - 07:33 AM
However, maybe I read through it too quickly, but I didn't see BF Goodrich Winter Slalom tires listed. We have a set of these we used on a Cherokee last year, and when it comes time to buy winter tires for our Subarus, I'm buying these. They have superb traction on snow and the price (at Costco) was very reasonable (I think around $60 each last year...). Did I miss these in the review? -Rick
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Got them at Ken's Tire Center for around $175 and change.
Performance has been very satisfactory.
Posted 17 October 2002 - 04:04 PM
i still have the coopers (one pair is practically studless) but i will run them again this year on my soobaru
they cost me 40$ at sears a peice w/ studs for 175/70/13
Posted 17 October 2002 - 06:51 PM
Posted 19 October 2002 - 05:08 PM
A "lug" snow tire that I keep on year round and drive the wagon daily. They wear great, too, and inexpensive as far as the type of tire goes.......now, if they only came in 195 or 205/80X13.
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