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Example of bad autocross form ( pic.)


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#1 gravelRX

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Posted 20 August 2003 - 10:33 PM

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It doesn't FEEL like it's leaning that much!

Car has discs and an XT swaybar, 15" pugs with old BFG's, engine mods.

Picture is a bit deceptive. This is the turn around after a longish straight. About 40mph, Trail braking to try to get the car set for corner exit.
Bad weight transfer.
Not smooth. BAD, BAD Subaru driver!

This is the only picture of this car autocrossing that is posted right now on the web. I do have better examples of how I'm supposed to do it. Even a couple short movies.


Just thought I'd share.

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#2 calebz

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Posted 20 August 2003 - 10:37 PM

you might be better off with the stock 13 inch wheels and some lopro tires.. it would lower your center of gravity a bit.. also, might try xt6 swaybars 19mm, i think. (?)

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Posted 20 August 2003 - 10:51 PM

So good I just stole it from ya! That's a cool hatch. Just out of curiosity, what kind of shape are the struts in? You could try some spring boosters from Pepboys to see if it'll stiffen them up for autoX days. Check them often though, those things arent known for staying in place very well.

Hey where is bent mountain? I was just in Williamsburg for a week.

#4 gravelRX

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Posted 20 August 2003 - 10:55 PM

Low profile 13" tires do not fill up the fenderwell and look very odd in my opinion.

If I was still autocrossing this GL, I would lower it two inches, and put 205/50 15's on the Pugs. Victoracers more than likely.

More toe out in the rear might help too. ROTATE NOW! twitchy on the street though.

Bought the RX for this kind of stuff. GL might get a fresh engine, That's about it. It has been relegated to a back-up, nothing else will start, wait until it snows, make a dead spot in the yard car.


Edit for Allturken . When you drove past Roanoke on I81, if you looked into the distance it flanks the valley on the opposite side of I81.
Wanted to get the GR2's for it but they are not adjustable for height. i need that for the snowtires. So, to answer your question.
Old, stock, worn out. That might account for the attitude of the car in the pic, EH?

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Posted 20 August 2003 - 11:21 PM

If I'd have known you were that close I may have stopped in!

Let's see some pics of the RX, too!

BTW I gotta go with Caleb on the recommendation for the stock wheels on that hatch if you decide to autocross it anymore. The bigger ones do look better of course, but those little 13's will perform a ton better for that kind of driving.

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Posted 21 August 2003 - 02:03 AM

Get some 13" alloys and some sticky tires. I had a set of 205/60R13 old racing tires a friend got from Sears Point. Without power steering they're a bitch to turn, but they dont slip. And 13" Alloys should be alot lighter than those pUg's

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Posted 21 August 2003 - 03:00 AM

Nice shot!
I wanna see air next time.

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Posted 23 August 2003 - 06:23 PM

Very cool foto.

Form doesn't look that bad to me. You'll see foto's of VW's with that inside rear tire WAY off the ground when pushed to the limit.

How was the lap time??

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Posted 27 August 2003 - 10:11 AM

You 'll even see that on EVO VIII's! Seems like almost every EVO autocross pic I see shows the inside rear off, or about to be off.

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Posted 27 August 2003 - 10:26 AM

were you doin' laps in 2wd or 4wd?
I assume 2wd because of pavement.............

anyone ever tried an E-brake turn? I realize that they're up front but curious as to what will happen if ya give it a pull in a tight corner...

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Posted 27 August 2003 - 12:05 PM

If I was mean I would tell you to go and try it, but I will save you and your sube by warning you first! The front e-brake is gonna send you in a straight line right off the edge of the corner, just like locking up your brakes when the rears don't work

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Posted 27 August 2003 - 12:33 PM

ha ha , a little understeer then or is that no steer....hehe

anyone ever moved the E-brake to the rear??:rolleyes:

is it possible?

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Posted 27 August 2003 - 10:21 PM

Ive got some Nissan rear calipers that with a small mod with bolt right on...and these are the ones with the rear handbrake...all id need to do is run the cable setup to a lever in the cockpit...

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Posted 27 August 2003 - 10:46 PM

Hit about 30-40mph in reverse, crank the wheel while yanking the e-brake...front-locking wheels make for a great, clean reverse 180!!

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Posted 28 August 2003 - 02:19 AM

Actually if front wheel drive is being used, lifting the rear inside tire is awesome and to an extent good also in 4WD. When this happens, there is less grip in the rear of the car, making it want to lose traction before the front! And we all know the deffinition of oversteer is having the rear end loose traction before the front! BTW do you have any more pics of your car autoxing? Im gonna do it in my turbo wagon when Im finished with it. You say that you have the XT6 rear bar? How did you mount it? pics of that? Also do the front bars off of EA82s fit on the front of EA81s?

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Posted 28 August 2003 - 10:12 AM

I 'acquired' a crazy scientist's (formerly wrx1ab) project in which he put a EA81t, 5spd d/r w locking dif, custom drive & axle shafts, 3.7 LSD, rear sway bars, full disc brakes, KYBs all around in to 81 DL.........it was crazy when it ran.

car was a peice except for 'gathered' parts collection in which all are a straight bolt into my 82 GLW....once the EA81T & is trouble shooted (pulling water into pistons, we think its the intake manifold)

My freshly painted 82 GLW has been embroiled is crazy emissions war in which has sucked all my time and resources to keep legal in order to do 'the manipulation'....everything is sitting on the shelf 'waiting'..

When manipulation takes place...it will be documented for all to review

BTW- He took the trailing arms and the rear sway bar from the doner car (XT6? i think)

just have to get my tags first...........

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Posted 29 August 2003 - 01:37 AM

the rear trailing arms from an XT6 will bolt onto an EA81 wagon/ hatch?

#18 MorganM

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Posted 29 August 2003 - 09:48 AM

wow looks like you were ABOUT to lift a wheel into that turn! :eek:

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Posted 29 August 2003 - 11:37 AM

it's not a good felling,....:(
i have done this in my go-cart, but the engine is in the back, and the car goes where the engine is,.....:eek:

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Posted 29 August 2003 - 12:22 PM

My old Civic used to pull the inside rear wheel a foot off the ground in SCCA races. Felt stable and predictable. My Hatch is too slow to race.:boohoo:

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Posted 29 August 2003 - 02:41 PM

Just found a pic so similar to yours it is uncanny!!

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Posted 30 August 2003 - 09:09 PM

the link doesn't work for me




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