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#26 bajavwnsoobnut

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Posted 17 April 2005 - 05:49 PM

News break

the Company that owns weber has gone belly up and was told good luck finding jets or anything for weber carbs so hopefuly there will be alternate ways to get stuff

found this out from 2 different stores while trying to find idle jets for my weber so I can mount it on the 83

so now I am asking if anyone has a 60 Primary Idle and 55 Secondary Idle jet and don't want them let me know cause want to mount the carb this week unless I can run a 65 Primary and 60 secondary on the carb cause what it has in there right now is a 45 primary and 50 secondary

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Posted 18 April 2005 - 07:17 PM

actualy just emailed a company that deals in Webers and it's just that the company sold to someone else but hopefuly they will still make webers

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Posted 09 June 2005 - 11:01 AM

Anybody know where to get a weber double barrel manual choke carb for an EA81. I tried the other listed sites and coudln't find a reasonable deal on one. Can I get any 32/36 because there are a lot on ebay for cheap.

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Posted 10 June 2005 - 12:42 PM

In my first post with all the links there is a "what cars have Webers" thread. Try that one. With Weber carbs there is no such thing as a free meal, you are going to spend so money. Whether you spend $400 for a brand new one of $150 to buy and rebuild a used one, you gotta spend money. Sorry, that's just the nature of it. Tim

Anybody know where to get a weber double barrel manual choke carb for an EA81. I tried the other listed sites and coudln't find a reasonable deal on one. Can I get any 32/36 because there are a lot on ebay for cheap.



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Posted 10 June 2005 - 12:47 PM

In my first post with all the links there is a "what cars have Webers" thread. Try that one. With Weber carbs there is no such thing as a free meal, you are going to spend so money. Whether you spend $400 for a brand new one of $150 to buy and rebuild a used one, you gotta spend money. Sorry, that's just the nature of it. Tim


Are you done messing around with ancient fuel delivery technology and gone SPFI yet or what? :lol:

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Posted 10 June 2005 - 12:53 PM

Are you done messing around with ancient fuel delivery technology and gone SPFI yet or what? :lol:


I just took off my weber :) but didn't replace it with SPFI..... :)

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Posted 10 June 2005 - 01:39 PM

With Weber carbs there is no such thing as a free meal, you are going to spend so money. Whether you spend $400 for a brand new one of $150 to buy and rebuild a used one, you gotta spend money. Tim


I know that I'm not worried about spending money I just don't want to pay 350-400 dollars. If anyone has an extra one lying around or a used one that is still in good condition I'll buy it.

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Posted 15 June 2005 - 03:23 PM

So I'm trading for 32/36 today.

Thought I'd try to gather some (local) knowledge. Checked the yellow pages. Found a Soob "specialist". Called his shop. You know, just to gather another opinion. Told him what I had in mind. He went to a lot of effort to discourage me. I explained that my rig is lifted, want to run bigger tires. Maybe no bigger that 26 inch, (which was PKs recomendation for a dual purpose rig.) So I told him (the Soob "specialist"), that I was just looking for "little" more grunt to run the bigger tires.

Basicaly, he said "don't do it"

Here is a partial list of his reasonings:

Webber 32/36 are no longer being made, where ya gonna get parts?

You won't really get any more power.

Hard to tune.

Hard to get jets right for your altitude. And where ya gonna get them ? Even if ya do, then ya hange altitude, then it won't run.


Actually, he went on and on. He seemed unfazed when I offered that on the USMB, there were bunches of guys doing it successfully. I even offered that no one was saying it was particularly easy. But many many saying it was worth it. He was still not impressed.

So how full of it is the guy? Or not for that matter?

What do you Weber enthusiasts think?

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Posted 15 June 2005 - 03:43 PM

Here's another carb nay sayer's suggestion: SPFI 2 win ;)

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Posted 15 June 2005 - 03:59 PM

it realy is too big of a carb, it is an upgrade for 2.0 motors, that make more hp than our tiny underpowered 1.8s

parts are not an issue. has that guy heard of the interweb yet?

by itself, you wont get any more power, but add exhaust also, and it all works well together.

basicaly id say keep the hitachi over a weber, unless you need a replacement carb. if its your only option, its better than a leaky stock one that wont idle.

seems like most people have trouble gettin them right. they either have good full throttle and no low end and bad mileage... or good mileage, and bad performance... some people are completely happy with them

basicaly if your a carb guy, and have been all your life, they might be a good deal. but... instead of learning about some tube with holes in it, and a bucket of gas underneath it..... i learned EFI. efi has never let me down.

i love it!

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Posted 15 June 2005 - 09:58 PM

side note: Tony, the weber I got from you ended up being one of the best ones I've run. even with a ea81 in the "ea82" wagon, it had plenty of power.

as far as getting parts, there are usually some on eBay.. and can be had pretty cheaply sometimes....

when I had a new weber on my old 82 wagon, I made some idle mixture changes on the fly as I drove from Iowa to Washington, and back. probably didn't get the best mileage, but it never quit working on me....
(the Idle mixture circuit is always used, as the primary and secondary circuits just add to the total amount of fuel being supplied...

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Posted 15 June 2005 - 11:26 PM

did you rejet it mcbrat? the way it was set up, it had low end power, but nothin mid to hi range. on an ea82

hehe, i said basicaly to start two seperate sentences in my last post.

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Posted 15 June 2005 - 11:35 PM

did you rejet it mcbrat? the way it was set up, it had low end power, but nothin mid to hi range. on an ea82

hehe, i said basicaly to start two seperate sentences in my last post.


no, didn't rejet it. replaced the missing hing pin on the float, and fied up the choke linkage, It had plenty of low end, but even with the lift, and 225/70R14's on it, it had better highway speed than any of my other ea81's.

I had a '86 Brat hydraulic lifter ea81 with 192k miles on it, installed with the weber in a '87 wagon....

I wrote down all the jetting numbers so I can compare it to my other 3 :)

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Posted 16 June 2005 - 07:57 AM

hope this isnt gettin too far off topic, but. i went from the carb motor, with a weber, to the mpfi motor, with 95 hp or whatever.

not a HUGE difference, but surely noticable. im all about the power =]

good to know it was at least jetted close to where its supposed to be. i always figured it was Way off.

i have a new one, jetted for a subaru(supposedly) sittin on an ea81 hatch. it has bad throttle response, when i stomp on it. what am i doin wrong mcbrat?

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Posted 16 June 2005 - 08:22 AM

hope this isnt gettin too far off topic, but. i went from the carb motor, with a weber, to the mpfi motor, with 95 hp or whatever.

not a HUGE difference, but surely noticable. im all about the power =]

good to know it was at least jetted close to where its supposed to be. i always figured it was Way off.

i have a new one, jetted for a subaru(supposedly) sittin on an ea81 hatch. it has bad throttle response, when i stomp on it. what am i doin wrong mcbrat?


I would check to see if your vac advance on the disty will hold a vacuum first. then I'd work with adjustments to the idle mixture screw. I knw all of camerons docs, and the weber docs say if you are more than 2 or 3 turns out, it's too far, but I've had the best performance when I was nearly 4 turns out......

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Posted 16 June 2005 - 08:30 AM

4 turns out indicates you need to replace the primary air jet (likely two sizes); I wish I could remember which way. --ed--

I would check to see if your vac advance on the disty will hold a vacuum first. then I'd work with adjustments to the idle mixture screw. I knw all of camerons docs, and the weber docs say if you are more than 2 or 3 turns out, it's too far, but I've had the best performance when I was nearly 4 turns out......



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Posted 16 June 2005 - 10:03 AM

by turning it out more, it let's more fuel flow through the idle circuit, so the primary jets should go bigger so that the idle circuit can be turned in more... this should help fuel consumption at idle as well....

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Posted 16 June 2005 - 07:18 PM

Well I can't believe my good fortune. HTI-Johnson showed up late last nite with my weber and brakes. HTI agreed that from the carbs appearance, it could use a rebuild.

So this A.M. I jammed down to the NAPA. Zippo on Weber anything. They made some calls, and nothing. I wanted a kit and the adapter.

So off I go across the street to the local "discount" parts house. Huge suprise, they had both, some one had ordered them , and then changed their mind. I jumped on both since it appears to me that this stuff is getting hard to find.

Jammed home. Pulled the Hitache, slapped on the adapter. Should have done the rebuild, but thought I'd just stick on the old DGV to see how bad bad was. Much to my suprise, it ran! I made no attempt to tune anything.

So I got the linkage wraped up, and went for a drive. HOLY CRAP! I really had no complaints about the Hitache, it ran fine, but the improvement in 1st, 2nd and 3rd are really noticable. Lots more grunt. Not much change in the higher range, but thats not really where I needed it anyway.

Heck, I'm half scared to do any tuning or rebuilding. Maybe I should leave well enough alone!

So far, I am totally happy with this change. I have no idea what has happened to my miliage, but thats a secondary consideration for me.

So thats my story, and I'm stick'in to it.

I suspect that when I increase tire diameter by 2 inches, to 26, I'll be right back where I started, which was the point in the first place, so thats ok.

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Posted 22 June 2005 - 10:33 AM

you found a weber adapter for a subaru, and a rebuild kit, instock?!_!

thats sounds too crazy to be true.

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Posted 25 June 2005 - 09:32 AM

you found a weber adapter for a subaru, and a rebuild kit, instock?!_!

thats sounds too crazy to be true.


Yea, it was crazy luck. Probably one in a million. Bear in mind this is a little discount parts house in a little podunk town with only two parts houses. (NAPA across the hiway from the discount joint)

Like I said, somebody ordered these items a while ago, then changed their mind. Both items were pretty dusty.

The other crazy luck was that this used weber was internaly in great condition, and made my car run like a raped ape. It was running pretty rich at first, but using Redlines tuning instructions, I think (hope) I've resolved that.

Low end was encreased very significantly. But much like some others experience, top was not, untill------

I kept fooling around with my jury rigged linkage, and found that I was not utilizing that last 1/4 of the throttle at the carb. Had to make some adjustments under the accelerator pedal. (very haywire, almost embarresing, but it worked) Now that I'm utilizing the entire range of the carb, top end is much increased as well.

At this point, I couldn't be happier. Miliage appears, so far, to be about the same, or slightly worse.

However, I'm quite concerned about cold weather when it arrives. My manual choke instalation seems to be fine and trouble free, but it's summer. I'm looking into aquiring Redline Part #99010.301 [universal intake adapter, weber DGV series]., thinking that this would enable me to adapt a stock Soob airbox (or something) to it, and then use a preheat tube down to the punched out cat heatshield. But that Redline part is probably going to hard or impssible to find. Just thinking.

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Posted 25 June 2005 - 09:59 AM

Lemme guess you got it in LaPine huh lol

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Posted 25 June 2005 - 11:49 AM

Lemme guess you got it in LaPine huh lol


Yes, La Pine.


Common bumper sticker around here is availiable at hardware store and elsewhere:

"La Pine Oregon, Life on the Edge"

Nobody knows on the "edge" of what.

Civilization? Sanity? Oh well. I've got one on my truck.

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Posted 26 June 2005 - 11:20 PM

I ran a weber no problems at all in the winter time in Iowa....

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Posted 27 June 2005 - 12:18 AM

I ran a weber no problems at all in the winter time in Iowa....


That's good to know, thanks for that. The only reason I worry is from reading a few or a couple of posts from others that complain about webers and winter.

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Posted 27 June 2005 - 12:35 AM

well as dry as it is there during winter you won't have the moisture and cold issues alot of the other guys will have but I dunno about the alt. part though considering there is suck a major elevation change in various parts of central oregon (2500 @ Prineville to 4500-5000 ft in Fall River/La Pine)




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