Jump to content


Welcome to Ultimate Subaru Message Board, my lurker friend!

Welcome to Ultimate Subaru Message Board, an unparalleled Subaru community full of the greatest Subaru gurus and modders on the planet! We offer technical information and discussion about all things Subaru, the best and most popular all wheel drive vehicles ever created.

We offer all this information for free to everyone, even lurkers like you! All we ask in return is that you sign up and give back some of what you get out - without our awesome registered users none of this would be possible! Plus, you get way more great stuff as a member! Lurk to lose, participate to WIN*!
  • Say hello and join the conversation
  • Subscribe to topics and forums to get automatic updates
  • Get your own profile and make new friends
  • Classifieds with all sorts of Subaru goodies
  • Photo hosting in our gallery
  • Meet other cool people with cool cars
Seriously, what are you waiting for? Make your life more fulfilling and join today! You and your Subaru won't regret it, we guarantee** it.

* The joy of participation and being generally awesome constitutes winning
** Not an actual guarantee, but seriously, you probably won't regret it!

Serving the Subaru Community since May 18th, 1998!

Guest Message by DevFuse
 

Photo
- - - - -

subaru articulation pics.


  • Please log in to reply
122 replies to this topic

#101 syphon

syphon

    Subaru Fanatic!

  • Members
  • 423 posts
  • Kirkland

Posted 05 November 2005 - 03:38 PM

They're not Subaru pics, but I took them at a Subaru meet at Evan's Creek :)



Posted Image

Of course immediately followed by

Posted Image


Posted Image

#102 Zefy

Zefy

    1000+ Super USER!

  • Members
  • 1,170 posts
  • Coquitlam B.C. Canada

Posted 05 November 2005 - 05:39 PM

And Chux, I believe that the ejs have a VLSD in the center diff. They behave as if they are in 4wd when off road. Not once has any of my ejs ever only spun the front wheels. In fact, they tend to send more power to the rear. If you pop the clutch in the dirt, the rears will dig in more than the front. ;)



hehe... the only person i've seen actually foil the AWD system in my parents 01 legacy was my mom! she had one front tire on ice (frozen big puddle) and when we wanted to move we couldn't... that front tire just spun to its hearts content... she tried it once... then gave me a puzzled look, then tried it again... second time we moved... i guess the computers for the AWD figured it out... power went to the back wheels... kinda slow reaction(it was 3-4 seconds)... but then again my mom stopped pretty quick we she saw that she wasn't moving...

so there you go... its possible to spin a front wheel only... ;)

#103 PeterD

PeterD

    Subaru Nut

  • Members
  • 562 posts
  • Renton/Cheney ( EWU )

Posted 05 November 2005 - 06:14 PM

Sometimes?

We as the Hatch Patrol showed up the same guys in their Super Huge Sammis 3 different times.

First time, they came crawling up 311 at Evans Creek to find a stock GL wagon on 13s already at the top.
Second time, me and Qman followed them up a pretty gnarly rock that they said we'd never make.
Third time, we showed up at Evans Creek to see the biggest one on its side. I drove around them on the rocks that had caused it to fall over.

Trust me, we let them know too. lol



that sounds like it would be funny to see:D

#104 iluvdrt

iluvdrt

    to lift, or not to lift

  • Members
  • 802 posts
  • Oceanside, Ca

Posted 05 November 2005 - 06:31 PM

bwuahahhahahahahah 26" travel with IFS... good one...

unless you have 30k into that rig ... no.



I did have almost $30K into that thing. Check out prerunner.net, and see how much those guys get. Why do all of the score outlaw trucks run IFS?

My specs.

Custom Lift made from Downey.(almost $5000)
Tubular control arms
shaved bump stops
Bilstein 9100 shocks front
26mm torsion bars
slip yoke cv axles with Spicer 1450 u-joints
heim joints on the tie rods
heim joint ball joints
bigger drag link

custom idler arm-$200
5.29 gears-$600 installed
marlin crawler t-case 4.7:1 low range- $1400
lockrights F+R- $550
ctm u-joints in all driveshafts-$700
driveline 1 driveshafts- $300
all pro offroad bumpers-$375
all pro t-case x-member-$250
warn x8000I winch-$850
all pro offroad driveshaft brake-$350
LC Engineering stroked and built 22re-$4500
jacobs Ign-$500
Borla exhaust-$ 275
Downey rear springs with heim joint shackles-#700
doestch 36" travel shocks, with remote resevoirs-$500
KC daylighters -$150
110amp alt-$200
optima yellow top-$150


I can keep going. I have full documentation. I had about 5 grand in the stereo and GPS inside the cab as well. I spared no expense building this truck.......I am still paying for it.

Fact is I know I had. I no longer have the truck it was totalled. From stuff to droop, the front had 26". This was a rockcrawling built suspension. Front-26" Rear 34".

If you dont believe me, your loss.

#105 soobme

soobme

    Subaru Master

  • Members
  • 1,871 posts
  • Medford OR

Posted 05 November 2005 - 07:38 PM

OUTSTANDING!!! 26" is a damn good # for IFS 4x4!! I got 19" out of the front of my old Bronco II (but that was all my oun fab work) I retract my 1st stament on that # (U never know when some one is full of $H!t)
Who made your'e front shafts? Wer they U-joint inner and outer?


#106 FlyB0y

FlyB0y

    Apprentice to Subie Gurus

  • Members
  • 855 posts
  • Marooned in Oregon City

Posted 05 November 2005 - 09:17 PM

more pics

it would only upload really small pics, not sure why???


DOH!! just my luck :-p ... all but the articulation pics would post ... thx a TON for posting them 75subie! if I tried to up-load some it there isn't enough coffee here to keep me awake till they would be done :drunk: ... btw I have a real skid-plate now ... no more of that stupid 90 DEG bent tubes like in the pic ... I broke down and had it done professionally ... it's worth the piece of mind (and saving my oil pan & sending unit) ;)

#107 iluvdrt

iluvdrt

    to lift, or not to lift

  • Members
  • 802 posts
  • Oceanside, Ca

Posted 06 November 2005 - 04:40 PM

OUTSTANDING!!! 26" is a damn good # for IFS 4x4!! I got 19" out of the front of my old Bronco II (but that was all my oun fab work) I retract my 1st stament on that # (U never know when some one is full of $H!t)
Who made your'e front shafts? Wer they U-joint inner and outer?


No worries. That number was from stuff to droop. I sent you the info for the axles. Their measurements is from ground level to full droop(7"). Both ways would be about 14". I managed almost the full 26" before they came out, or bound up. I actually had to put a limiting strap on the front when I went wheeling. Pre running I took the axles off, and got the full 26". With the axles I think it was around 19-20" stuff to droop.

You may also want to check out Total chaos (sp?) they have some wicked long travel kits pre made. I would go that route instead of making my own next time. Or SAS.

#108 Qman

Qman

    Happiness is... no lag!!

  • Moderator
  • 11,119 posts
  • Sumner

Posted 06 November 2005 - 11:32 PM

Sometimes?

We as the Hatch Patrol showed up the same guys in their Super Huge Sammis 3 different times.

First time, they came crawling up 311 at Evans Creek to find a stock GL wagon on 13s already at the top.
Second time, me and Qman followed them up a pretty gnarly rock that they said we'd never make.
Third time, we showed up at Evans Creek to see the biggest one on its side. I drove around them on the rocks that had caused it to fall over.

Trust me, we let them know too. lol


We have had a friendly banter going with that club for about 4 yrs now. We run into eachother at many different ORV parks around Washington. They are a good group of guys that can take some razzing.

#109 Sweet82

Sweet82

    Elite Master of the Subaru

  • Members
  • 3,266 posts
  • Salt Lake City

Posted 07 November 2005 - 10:46 AM

Posted Image



ok point made


Got to be the Golden Crack in Moab. Bummer about his shock!

#110 soobme

soobme

    Subaru Master

  • Members
  • 1,871 posts
  • Medford OR

Posted 07 November 2005 - 11:06 AM

Look close, that's an air over hydralic bump stop, the shock is the long thing with springs on it;)

#111 4x4mudrat

4x4mudrat

    USMB Regular

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 90 posts
  • Tumut, Australia

Posted 07 November 2005 - 12:53 PM

I think on the subject of articulation, one thing should be cleared up:

As articulation relates to suspension travel, it occurs when one wheel is pushed up and the corresponding wheel forced down. This happens on live-axled vehicles.

Subarus may have wheel travel, but they do not have articulation.

#112 soobme

soobme

    Subaru Master

  • Members
  • 1,871 posts
  • Medford OR

Posted 07 November 2005 - 01:13 PM

U are correct!! A+++ Not to many people know the diferance. The only way to get ARTICULATION on a Subaru is to do it the same way Rover has on there IFS/IRS rigs: Air suspention with large X-over lines (Rovers have a computer to controll air flow) so that when 1 wheel is forced up, it forcess the air in that bag to the other side forcing it down. And this makes a BIG diferance in off-road traction.

#113 PeterD

PeterD

    Subaru Nut

  • Members
  • 562 posts
  • Renton/Cheney ( EWU )

Posted 07 November 2005 - 02:59 PM

U are correct!! A+++ Not to many people know the diferance. The only way to get ARTICULATION on a Subaru is to do it the same way Rover has on there IFS/IRS rigs: Air suspention with large X-over lines (Rovers have a computer to controll air flow) so that when 1 wheel is forced up, it forcess the air in that bag to the other side forcing it down. And this makes a BIG diferance in off-road traction.


much like this... Posted Image

still no live axle but three locking diffs will help:brow:

#114 Numbchux

Numbchux

    EJ conversion addict

  • Members
  • 5,998 posts
  • Duluth, MN

Posted 07 November 2005 - 03:19 PM

this is all true, but typically, in less-than-perfect conditions, like offroading, when one wheel is pushed up, it's opposite it dropped down...therefore getting articulation....in some form or another

#115 TurboXT

TurboXT

    Eat, Live, Breath Subaru

  • Members
  • 285 posts
  • Lakewood

Posted 07 November 2005 - 03:29 PM

Here is a pic of my stock articulation, no front sway bar.


Posted Image

#116 soobme

soobme

    Subaru Master

  • Members
  • 1,871 posts
  • Medford OR

Posted 07 November 2005 - 03:42 PM

this is all true, but typically, in less-than-perfect conditions, like offroading, when one wheel is pushed up, it's opposite it dropped down...therefore getting articulation....in some form or another

THAT is flex, or travel. Articulation is when the wheel is FORCED down BY the wheel that goes up. On SAS when 1 wheel is forced up it FORCES the wheel on the other side down. THATS articulation.

#117 TurboXT

TurboXT

    Eat, Live, Breath Subaru

  • Members
  • 285 posts
  • Lakewood

Posted 07 November 2005 - 03:49 PM

Ok, sorry, I guess I was wrong then.......:-\ It's all good, It's still a cool picture though. And I have gotten it to actually articulate like you are saying, but never got a pic of it. (it's articulation for a subaru, as they do not have solid axles)

Rick

#118 Scott in Bellingham

Scott in Bellingham

    Lets go wheelin!!

  • Members
  • 3,635 posts
  • Bellingham

Posted 07 November 2005 - 05:12 PM

same way Rover has on there IFS/IRS rigs: Air suspention with large X-over lines (Rovers have a computer to controll air flow) so that when 1 wheel is forced up, it forcess the air in that bag to the other side forcing it down



I like that maybe I could incorporate this on my ultimate wheeler , using airshocks instead of the normal springs, what about the subaru air control system stuff could it be modified for offroad in this way

#119 subie94

subie94

    Major Subaru Fan..

  • Members
  • 1,583 posts
  • Epsom,N.H.

Posted 07 November 2005 - 06:30 PM

I like that maybe I could incorporate this on my ultimate wheeler , using airshocks instead of the normal springs, what about the subaru air control system stuff could it be modified for offroad in this way


i saw a gut do something like that but with hydralics and it wasn't a subaru.he could lift up or push down a different wheel with a flick of a switch.

#120 FlyB0y

FlyB0y

    Apprentice to Subie Gurus

  • Members
  • 855 posts
  • Marooned in Oregon City

Posted 08 November 2005 - 12:41 AM

OK!! it worked on the lifted rigs thread, so lets see if I can get it to work here too :D

#121 K9WAGON

K9WAGON

    USMB Regular

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 42 posts
  • SF bay area

Posted 08 November 2005 - 03:18 AM

Just out of curiosity, has anyone tried putting a Sube on an RTI ramp? Get a shot stock, then at various degrees of lift, etc.


I put my stock 81 brat on a ramp , didnt get any pics , but as I remember, it scored a 310

#122 Numbchux

Numbchux

    EJ conversion addict

  • Members
  • 5,998 posts
  • Duluth, MN

Posted 08 November 2005 - 08:40 AM

THAT is flex, or travel. Articulation is when the wheel is FORCED down BY the wheel that goes up. On SAS when 1 wheel is forced up it FORCES the wheel on the other side down. THATS articulation.


yep yep...sorry...I meant you get the same effect, despite the fact it's not working the same way

#123 Ratty2Austin

Ratty2Austin

    have tools, will fix

  • Members
  • 2,385 posts
  • West Coast USA

Posted 12 November 2005 - 12:48 PM

hmmm flex huh.. makes sense :D

heres another recent pic to add to the pile :cool:
Posted Image

yeah, I am still playing on the curb @ Firestone in St Paul. (fri/sat night weekly subaru meet)




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users