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Loyale...... lockers?


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#1 iteamsubaru

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Posted 08 December 2005 - 03:44 PM

Hey i got a 92 Loyale 4WD and when the thing is in 4WD it feels locked up just as my trucks do but i read of people putting them in so whats the deal? i dont know much about my wagon... i know it kicks rump roast in the snow and mud and acts like its locked! im gettin ready to lift it 8" and all so i want to know about the lockers and all and what stuff i can bolt in to make it even better offroad!

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Posted 08 December 2005 - 03:46 PM

Hey i got a 92 Loyale 4WD and when the thing is in 4WD it feels locked up just as my trucks do but i read of people putting them in so whats the deal? i dont know much about my wagon... i know it kicks rump roast in the snow and mud and acts like its locked! im gettin ready to lift it 8" and all so i want to know about the lockers and all and what stuff i can bolt in to make it even better offroad!

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Posted 08 December 2005 - 03:55 PM

When talking about most part-time 4wd systems, you have either locking or automatic hubs. Locking hubs require you to get out and lock them to use the 4wd; otherwise, power is transmitted to the axle but the axle doesn't transmit power to the wheel. Automatic hubs are similar, but when forward force is applied to the axle, it causes the hub to engage.

On your 4wd Subaru, you have a CV shaft that directly drives each hub. There is no provision to unlock the hub from the shaft. When you are in 2wd, the rear wheels are still turning the axle shafts. So in effect, your hubs are always locked.

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Posted 08 December 2005 - 03:56 PM

Post the same topic in multiple forums is going to get you yelled at. ;)

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Posted 08 December 2005 - 04:11 PM

You could put an LSD in the rear is what most people do,or Lincoln lock the rear by welding it.I would say go with the LSD.

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Posted 08 December 2005 - 04:16 PM

When talking about most part-time 4wd systems, you have either locking or automatic hubs. Locking hubs require you to get out and lock them to use the 4wd; otherwise, power is transmitted to the axle but the axle doesn't transmit power to the wheel. Automatic hubs are similar, but when forward force is applied to the axle, it causes the hub to engage.

On your 4wd Subaru, you have a CV shaft that directly drives each hub. There is no provision to unlock the hub from the shaft. When you are in 2wd, the rear wheels are still turning the axle shafts. So in effect, your hubs are always locked.



I read all of these people sayin they have a lincon locker in the rear open up front..... i dont know much about this ************.... im a classic car and drag racer none of this 4X4 subaru stuff

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Posted 08 December 2005 - 04:23 PM

You could put an LSD in the rear is what most people do,or Lincoln lock the rear by welding it.I would say go with the LSD.


Where can i find the LSD for it? did another year or modle of subaru have it that would bolt in?

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Posted 08 December 2005 - 05:09 PM

Post the same topic in multiple forums is going to get you yelled at. ;)


Or at least watched a bit closer!

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Posted 08 December 2005 - 05:13 PM

Well i didnt know it was illegal to double post! i dont want the strong arm of the law comin down on me! im new here cut me some slack! lol

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Posted 08 December 2005 - 05:15 PM

Lincoln locker refers to welding the ring gear so the diff locks. The name probably comes from the Lincoln welder (just a guess). You can do that, but you have to remove one of the rear axle shafts to run on the road.

Limited-slip differentials mostly came in turbo cars. The turbos have a 3.7:1 gear ratio, while the NA have a 3.9:1 ratio. You can swap out the ring gear to use a LSD from a turbo car in a non-turbo. They're marked on the tag on the rear of the differential.

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Posted 08 December 2005 - 05:20 PM

Lincoln locker refers to welding the ring gear so the diff locks. The name probably comes from the Lincoln welder (just a guess). You can do that, but you have to remove one of the rear axle shafts to run on the road.

Limited-slip differentials mostly came in turbo cars. The turbos have a 3.7:1 gear ratio, while the NA have a 3.9:1 ratio. You can swap out the ring gear to use a LSD from a turbo car in a non-turbo. They're marked on the tag on the rear of the differential.


Thats was my thought on the lincoln locers was welding and that would be my guess as to where they got the name!

I know when i changed the gears in my truck i had to also do the front so they didnt bind up will i run in to the same with the suby?

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Posted 08 December 2005 - 05:24 PM

I'm assuming yours is not a turbo. If you get a LSD from a turbo car, you have two choices:

1. Change the ring gear (look at the USMB tech articles to find out how)

2. Change to a turbo trans. Of course, you'd also have to change the clutch and the axle shafts, as those are also unique to the turbo.

If you try to run with different gear ratios, you'll bind up as soon as you put it in 4WD, unless you're on ice.

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Posted 08 December 2005 - 05:30 PM

I'm assuming yours is not a turbo. If you get a LSD from a turbo car, you have two choices:

1. Change the ring gear (look at the USMB tech articles to find out how)

2. Change to a turbo trans. Of course, you'd also have to change the clutch and the axle shafts, as those are also unique to the turbo.

If you try to run with different gear ratios, you'll bind up as soon as you put it in 4WD, unless you're on ice.



Thats what i was thinkin... i think i will just go with a welded rear end and have to pull it in and out all the time.. i hear its not hard if you just jack it up a lil! i do like the idea oh having my 4WD on command but i guess ill have to lose some to win some!




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