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Advice for a potential new Owner
Posted 14 October 2003 - 01:47 PM
Posted 14 October 2003 - 02:47 PM
do a seasrch for 'OBW Trip Report' and read my post.
1 Lucky Texan
Posted 14 October 2003 - 02:53 PM
Save a few thousand $$$ and get a Legacy trimmed out the way YOU want it, not the GM styling studio.
Posted 14 October 2003 - 02:57 PM
Posted 14 October 2003 - 03:12 PM
What about these horror stories about gaskets going...yikes!
Posted 14 October 2003 - 03:57 PM
IMHO there isn't pissant's difference between a modern auto and a manual, unless you are driving them so hard you're gonna break something anyhow. For 'normal', 'sane' driving (not that I'm against abnormal and insane driving, in the right time & place and if you are willing to take the blame for what you break) I think the auto is better. After six years of driving in Montana winter conditions I KNOW it's damnwell better in snow.
That's MY opinion and I'm sticking to it!
Posted 14 October 2003 - 05:41 PM
My parents own a 97 legacy outback and a friend of mine has a regular legacy, and I am relatively impressed with both cars. Neither of them has received what they should in the way of routine maintenance, and neither have had any major problems to date, even under hard use.
Neither the manual or automatic transmissions in these cars have issues with breaking under normal conditions. My mom hasn't had any trouble with the MT in her legacy, and she's HARD on transmissions and clutches.
Posted 14 October 2003 - 06:00 PM
Posted 14 October 2003 - 10:39 PM
Time will tell as I am sure some of these folks have heard "we have cured it"since 1997.
On the good side I am not hearing of problems with the smaller engines or the H6.
It seems to me that the H6 should have smaller bores and may not suffer the dread gasket problem.
Any experts want to weigh in here?
Posted 15 October 2003 - 10:01 AM
Posted 15 October 2003 - 11:10 AM
The H6-3.0 would sure be nice, but its as much as a 3-series BMW wagon and (very sadly) comes only in an automatic.....(Im sure I will get flamed by several on this board for comparing to a BMW)
The Outback is nice, but we really have no need for the extra ground clearance or all that Tupperware bolted to it.
Leather is a requirement since we have a dog, so the Legacy Limited Wagon 5-speed or the 2.5GT Wagon 5-speed seems to be the obvious choice. Basically the only options we want are the premium sound system, the security upgrade kit, and the air filtration system.
Enjoy your new ride!
Posted 15 October 2003 - 11:52 AM
Thanks for the advice...we test drove the H-6 but it didn't kick in some serious power until it got revved up pretty high...you would have to push it hard to get the power out of it. When you are ready to buy check out carsdirect.com, they have the best prices I have been able to get so far. Hopefully by this weekend we will be official subie drivers!
Posted 15 October 2003 - 01:42 PM
...Love the car, doesn't handle as well as my 02 Impreza, better ride though...no problems except A/C failure at 4400 on the odo. They told me it was my reciever/dryer that went out (huh?). It took them two weeks to fix.
Hats off to you Andy!
Posted 15 October 2003 - 01:44 PM
If you are putting the dog in the back there are some options available but may already know about. One is a barrier you can get to seperate the back area from the seating area and another is a mat for the rear storage area to help keep things clean.
Posted 15 October 2003 - 03:04 PM
Another q for all of you guys out there. We have the option now to extend our warranty up 7 years and 100,000 miles, the going price is around a grand. Do you all think this is worth it?
Posted 15 October 2003 - 03:12 PM
I don't think anything short of some sort of electromagnetic force-field could keep my German Shepherd's hair in the back of the car only! And I have not yet found a shop-vac powerful enough to suck a wirey German Shep hair out of a cloth car seat....and Im a real neat freak.
Its really great when you roll the windows down and it blows around the car as you go down the road. I love my dog though....the benefits outweigh the costs for us.
Best of luck shopping!
Posted 15 October 2003 - 03:26 PM
Excess costs on my Subaru have been well over $4,000.
You will have a lot of the upgraded stuff so yours should be less, but why take a chance?
Posted 15 October 2003 - 04:11 PM
I wouldn't touch it unless it was DIRECTLY from SOA. If it's from a third party forget it. Remember too, that you are probably going to FINANCE that insurance policy, so you're going to pay interest in it too!
I would look at the difference in monthly payment with and without the policy, tell the daler thanks but no thanks and bank that amount each month into a dedicated 'uh-oh' savings account.
I'd bet that by the time you ever need the policy you'll have MORE than a thousand bucks in the kitty, and it will be YOUR money, not the finance company's. 'Sides, from my long experience with 'Roos, you're never gonna need it anyhow.
Statistically, Extended Warranties suck!
Posted 15 October 2003 - 04:19 PM
All it is is an insurance policy and I do agree that if it is third party it would not give me the same confidence.
But if I was buying a new Subie 2.5 that is exactly what I would do.
With the BMW after the regular warranty ran out I decided I wanted the last upgrades to be sure as I intend to keep the car.
Just the new fuel pump and sender would have set me back several hundred bucks, but I got new window regulators and had the cruise control fixed.
BMW lost money on this one.
Posted 15 October 2003 - 09:03 PM
1. This is the worst build quality car of any Subaru I've ever owed. Here's my list of others (85 GL Hatchback, 92 Legacy Turbo, 94 Impreza, 95 SVX, 86 Brat, 88 Justy and 88 XT6). The body panels don't match real well, orange peel (guess GM gave subaru that when buying in) it had maybe 10 sample defects in it worst was a not functioning CD player, the interior has some definately CHEAP portions (the key fob clangs on the plastic cover on the steering column just as it did on the Legacy in 90, the handbrake is pathetically cheap considering everything else is covered in leather).
2. Our manual has already had it's 3rd and 4th gears sycro replaced. It now doesn't want to go into reverse that easily. Must call!!!!!!!!
3. As much as I hate the quasi 4wd vehicles I'd say check out a Forester or Forester Turbo. Both drive decent although they handle quite poorly in my book but look what I compare it to. As you can see this is my first "American" Subie so I simply liken the lack of quality in the build to that. I hate to do it but when the body panels of my Brat adhere to stricter tolerances than an 03 Legacy with 2k miles I just don't know.
Posted 16 October 2003 - 09:25 AM
Posted 16 October 2003 - 09:27 AM
My 02 Imprerza was flawless...My 03 Legacy has not been (A/C failure / fit and trim blemishes) , but my Legacy has been above average for the new GM / Chrysler cars I have owned...go figure!
Good point Benebob!
Posted 16 October 2003 - 10:14 AM
Posted 16 October 2003 - 10:26 AM
I used to be in the shipping business and we had daily shipments of all the power train stuff from Japan.
Parts come from all over and are merely assembled in the American plants.
Some GM engines come from Brazil. with large multinationals it is cheaper to build one plant to specialize in a componant and ship parts to assembly plants world wide.
This has been going on for nealy 100 years in the auto industry and before that with industrial equipment. Fairly recently we have Land Rovers and Jeeps that were assembled everywhere and before that Model T fords that were even assembled in Russia.
It would make little sense to have two engine plants for the same engine.
This makes me think that the worst quality stuff on Subarus were likely designed and manufactured in Japan.
Anyone out there who has looked this up?
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