burtonsnowman Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 My friends and I really want to build a Baja car. We have no idea what do do, though. Should we get a Legacy and work on it? Should we get a Loyale? I know you have to have an engine that was offeref in the model year of your car, so should I get a Legacy and EJ22H it? Or maybe a '91 Loyale and do an ER27 swap? What ever will I do? Help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoodsWagon Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 Loyale's are lighter, but legacys can loose a lot of weight if you strip them out. EG33 swap into a legacy would be sick, that's the engine out of the SVX, which will bolt up to the legacy tranny. Legacy's have less ground clearance, but with some skid plating it doesn't matter. I believe the suspension is more rugged in a legacy. AWD vs 4WD doesn't seem to make that much of a difference at high speed. Both handle really naturally. I'm leaning toward a first gen legacy. 1994 and earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monstaru Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 you should call me......509-991-8048 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbchux Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 the ER27 wasn't any more available in the loyale any more than the EJ22... neither was the EZ33 in the legacy.... find a legacy turbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soobmater Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 but he said it didnt have to be a engine offered in that body style, just in that model Year. Eh, u would probably be way better off doing it to a legacy. all though, a baja ea82 would be sick! good luck with this man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballitch Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 by baja, you mean like the cali-to- mexico baja, like the baja1000? if your going for long distance and durablilty, id go legacy outback. taller ground clearance, can fit nice beefy tires under it, and it came with the 4.44 front and rear diffs. i wonder what year the EZ30 was first offered...i think it was 2000, so you cant throw that in it.....but you can throw a EG33 out of an SVX like previously stated. if you go outback...i would get an inch or so longer springs with less spring rate so you can travel over deep ruts and big bumps easily without breaking your spine. also, try to strengthen the chassis as much as possible. P.S. is there a minimum weight you have to weigh.....cause we can tell you what you can do to shave 300-400 lbs off that monster. ~Josh~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbchux Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 but he said it didnt have to be a engine offered in that body style, just in that model Year. Eh, u would probably be way better off doing it to a legacy. all though, a baja ea82 would be sick! good luck with this man ahhh....well....nevermind then.....I vote loyale with EG33 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burtonsnowman Posted February 16, 2006 Author Share Posted February 16, 2006 by baja, you mean like the cali-to- mexico baja, like the baja1000? Oh yeah, baby... ...id go legacy outback...Too expensive and not as cool as an earlier model, dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack_mcclouds Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 Oh yeah, baby...Too expensive and not as cool as an earlier model, dude. LEGACY ALL THE WAY! 1990-up go with an allwheeldrive no need for the 6-cyl the ej22 has plenty of juice. look at camberg engineering .com they are THE offrado fab shop and they could leghten the control arms and set it up with coilovers all around....then a full cage.....etc etc....I have been thinking about the same project for a year....DO IT!....GO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baccaruda Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 UH OH. you should call me......509-991-8048 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burtonsnowman Posted February 16, 2006 Author Share Posted February 16, 2006 LEGACY ALL THE WAY!1990-up go with an allwheeldrive no need for the 6-cyl the ej22 has plenty of juice. Yeah, I was thinking kind of the same thing--AWD, maybe turbo the EJ22? I don't know--I think overall I would have the same amount of money (A LOT!) into whatever I do, so really it's just about weighing the possibilities and choosing which one I want. Has anyone done this in the past? Got any helpful info on which choices would be bad choices? What are the strong and weak points of each option? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burtonsnowman Posted February 16, 2006 Author Share Posted February 16, 2006 So...how would you guys make the ultimate Baja suspension setup for... -An EA82? -A Legacy? -Any other good, cheap, modify-able Subaru? As far as power and parts availability go, EJ22 is probably the best route, right? But...do I use a Legacy or a Loyale with the EJ motor? Boy, this is tough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbchux Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 I would say legacy, more parts availability, unless you really want true 4wd instead of awd... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burtonsnowman Posted February 16, 2006 Author Share Posted February 16, 2006 Put it back! Put it back! This thread belongs in the Off-Road section! Not the silly "Retrofitting" place! BAJA IS OFF-ROAD IS IT NOT? BAJA WOULD REQUIRE OFF-ROAD VEHICLES, WOULD IT NOT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezapar Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 THIS HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH RETROFITTING!!! Including. Engine swap. Tranny swap. AND NOW SUSPENSION SWAP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballitch Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 what was the last year the loyale was made? and what was the first year the SVX was made? if they overlap then you can throw the EG33 in a loyale. but for parts availibility id go EJ22, since the 1990 legacy had one, and i know the loyale went until at least 1990, there you go. now just get some huge fender flares for it and lengthen the control arms by about 3-4'' and maybe a small mini-lift(like 1-2'') to get the camber back into normal range. daydreaming..... ~Josh~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burtonsnowman Posted February 17, 2006 Author Share Posted February 17, 2006 Dude, seriously. I want to BUILD a car - not make a Dr. Frankenstein creation of a million "RETROFITTED" parts. All I'm looking for is help with an OFF-ROAD vehicle - if that entails swapping in something from something else from another sube from time to time, cool. But that's not all I'm looking for (obviously). Oh yeah, one more thing... IncludingThat's not a sentence And... Tranny swap.Nobody said a word about tranny swaps:burnout: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burtonsnowman Posted February 17, 2006 Author Share Posted February 17, 2006 what was the last year the loyale was made? and what was the first year the SVX was made? if they overlap then you can throw the EG33 in a loyale.First year of SVX - '92 (I think)Final year of Loyale - '94 Sounds good to me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbchux Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 relax, both of you, IMHO, this is better placed in the new gen forum, but it's certainly more relavant here than offroad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burtonsnowman Posted February 17, 2006 Author Share Posted February 17, 2006 Okay... You guys win... But still - any advice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbchux Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 Okay... You guys win... But still - any advice? not sure what the rules are on suspension. but I would say you'd want Outback suspension, or maybe aftermarket for the outback. a 5-speed, and a built EJ22 N/A, but I'm a little biased towards that combination Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack in Norfolk Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 Any subaru at the Baja would be great but if you really want to raise some eyebrows, go for a 360 or a Justy. Light and simple with less stuff to break. Just my "way out in left field" idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burtonsnowman Posted February 17, 2006 Author Share Posted February 17, 2006 Oh, man, I can't imagine tearing up a 360 like that, but a Justy...hmm... But then you have to think about the fact that you need to sustain high speeds for extended peiods of time--tough with the Justy engine/gearing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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