pheonix165 Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 Okay i've only had my ea82 gl for a few weeks now and after 1500km i took a read though my owners manual (ya, i was surprised to see i had one too) anyways first think i noticed was the car is rated for 90 octane or higher...not a performance machine and yet needs the good gas, sure why not. then i was looking though for what Subaru calls ideal shift points; first to second gear 22kph second to third 45kph so my wife and i went for a drive and i tried it, WHO THE HELL SHIFTS AT 4000rpm ALL THE TIME!!! the manual repeats this a couple of times. for rapid acceleration it says to shift from first to second at 29kph and from second to third 55kph, 5 grand shifts does anybody really drive like this??? right now i drive like i drove my other cars, shifting between 2300-3000rpm for most conditions and i retain 33-37mph circumstantially. i know for a fact that i couldn't do that if i shifted a 4g i'm not even sure how long the engine would last like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sister7 Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 WHO THE HELL SHIFTS AT 4000rpm ALL THE TIME!!! I do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffast Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 are you kidding i never shift before 5-6k you miss out on all of the power curve --------------------------------- "NO OFFICER I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS A FELONY" JEFF-2005 And again in 2011. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSubaruJunkie Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 Yeah, why would you want to shift BEFORE 4grand? THats when the power turns on. -Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pheonix165 Posted February 28, 2006 Author Share Posted February 28, 2006 so no one cares about millage or engine longevity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 Subaru engines are built for that. The aircraft guys run them at 7,000 rpm all day long. I think breaking point for the rods is up near 11,000 or more. I shift all my engines around 4,000 - 4,500 - sometimes 5,000 or 6,000 frankly. I get 28 Mpg consistently in my Brat - 4WD, with 3.9 diffs. Got 32 mpg in my wagon with a Weber when it was 2WD. Really, you won't hurt it. GD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pheonix165 Posted February 28, 2006 Author Share Posted February 28, 2006 wow, the more you know. really though i would hurt the engine driving it like that, my wife doesn't much care fore the way it...growls either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSubaruJunkie Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 I often thought to myself "hey, if I keep reving my engine to 5 grand its going to blow up" but out of 12 subarus that ive owned, the only thing to have blown up a motor was running it w/out oil. Never had an engine fail due to over revving, but you are right. It probably does decrease the life of the motor from 500,000 miles to around 300,000 miles -Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbchux Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 ^^ I doubt it's that much :-p I heard this phrase on here not long ago.... "a redline a day keeps the mechanic away" let's just say I know where the valves float on all 4 of my EA82's I can't comment on mileage, as I've never had a good example, my '85 ran like crap, my '92 had a 3-speed AT, and both my '88's are running ~28" tires.... and on gas, I put 90 in it once for the heck of it since it was the same price as the 87....no difference. we ran nothing but the cheapest ethanol-filled crap they'd sell us in my '92 loyale for the last 5+ years and 100k miles. leaks oil and is underpowered, but no problems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBrumby Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 wow, the more you know. really though i would hurt the engine driving it like that, my wife doesn't much care fore the way it...growls either It is worse to underrev an engine than overrev it to an extent. 2300-3000 is way too low. I rev 1st out preddy high than the rest are at or above 4 grand. Hehe ea81 are slugs between 1-3 grand. Also what do these engines red line at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zefy Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 hehe i shift between 4k-6k (more towards the 4k mark) pretty much every shift... and my car is 27 years old...:cool: i too am supposed to run 90 octane...(so says MY owners manual:grin:) buuuuut 65hp isn't performance either... mind you i do notice an inprovement in mileage and power with the higher octane fuel... but since i don't pay for my gas most of the time i fill up with good ol' 87... these cars can take a some of the worst beatings and then some... you shift SO low... do you even get going the speed limits? does the 90 year olds with thick glasses in their big ol' crown victoria's pass you?? heh i'm joking calm down...:-p drive it more agressively for a month or so and see how you like it... and hey your wife doesn't like the growl?! wait... ya that kinda makes sence...:-p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPGsuperchargedBrumby Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 i think its something to do with the piston speed, ea81's are a short stroke motor so 4000rpms is probibly not that high a piston speed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waimaks Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 This thread kicks rump roast! Now I have a little proof that the ea-81 does actually enjoy this stuff. No more mates telling me that the Brat runs a little rough cause I give it too much ***************e... 5½+k sounds nasty though, I rarely go above there... I love these things! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calebz Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 let's just say I know where the valves float on all 4 of my EA82's And just where is that? I hit boost induced fuel cut before I get to valve float.. but I am a bit curious where the valve float point is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samo Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 Ha! I shift at 4500 all day long. 186,000 and still running like a champ. Most who hear it purr say they've never heard an EA82 run so smooth. My old one is probably well past 200,000 and it's still running. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subarian Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 From experience I can tell you that EA82s love redline. They don't like to be lugged. You won't get power and you won't get mileage if you drive around below 2500 RPM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zyewdall Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 Subaru's don't really have any power below 2,500, so yeah, shifting at 4k is good. If I'm not trying to accellerate, I shift at 3k. If you think that subaru's have high shift points, you should try driving something with a real rubberband engine like a honda civic -- first time I tried to drive one of those I kept stalling it because I was used to an EA81 that actually had torque at 1200rpm. When I first owned a subaru, I thought the engine was going to blow up over 4,000rpm too, but it hasn't happened yet. They're not old american V-8's... On gas, my carbed ones used to ping going up hills on the 85 octane, so I'd get 87 for them. My SPFI seems okay on 85 octane in the winter (low grade here), but likes 87 on hot summer days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azsubaru Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 I redline my Loyale all the time, everyday, upshifting and downshifting through traffic. If it starts running poorly, the first thing I do is take it out and "blow it out" a little. It has dealt with this for 15 years now, never a problem that I can relate to over revving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyale 2.7 Turbo Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 Well... My experience is that my Loyale 1985 EA82 weberized Really "Loves" the "Almost Redline" shiftin´. Let me Explain: If I drive only between 2,500 and 3,000 I will have the "Tick of Death" music, due to low oil pump pressure that is due to low acceleration. So I only drive like this if I feel sick, depressed, or the streets are full of cars... (Jammed) ...Or at the Mall parkin´ lot... But since new, my Loyale is always driven to shift between 2,900 to 3,500 RPM´s and it´s engine is very fine, even with over 250,000 original miles on it. Also, more RPM´s guarantee more Oil Pressure, and More Oil Pressure will extend your engine´s life; let me explain it again: If you travel long up hills, and your subie can take that in 4th, but at just about 2,100 RPM´s... You´ll see the Oil Pressure needle Too Low, it means more wear to the engine, due of two facts: First, when you go up hill, your engine works more to pull all the weight up, and Second, there is when it needs more oil pressure to fight the increased internal wear that result of more work, and slow revs (Means Low Oil Pressure) + more work is = Shorter engine life due to fast wear. So, if you drive it in 4th at almost 2,100 you´ll go at somethin´ between 60 or 70 KPH (Depend on Tire Sizes, etc... ) but if you shift Down to 3rd Gear, you´r engine will rev-up to almost 2,900 RPM´s to get the same speed, BUT you gain More Oil Pressure to Fight the Internal Wear... and the Gasoline consumption is just a li´l bit more... but it pays itself by longer engine life. Believe me: the other cars on my Family have good longevity drivin´ like this, like the Mercury Comet Caliente Coupe from 1969 (Dad has it since new) and the engine is still original, and so on goes the examples... So, if you drive your engine "Fast" it not nesscesary means shorter engine life, I really think it could mean Longer Engine Life... I Always shift down to 3rd in up hills, (Even if my subie can handle it in 4th perfectly) and cruise at 80 KPH on it... engine above of the 3K range and it has been over 20 years of it... almost every weekend... Hours and Hours of Travels in our extremly mountany Honduras, and the Subie feels VERY good! What do you Think ´bout it? Also, I Love the "Feelin´" that the Sound of a Weberized EA82 fast accelerating can make at 5,000 rpm´s or above... People scares thinkin´ that the engine will blow away and blow my head by the way... and blow theirs too ... but it is Fine, is just a "Boxer" feelin´ You know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burtonsnowman Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 My friends and I all drive Subes: Me - 2 EA81s and a Justy Other guy - Legacy Other guy - Loyale My mom - Loyale Other girl - Forester Other girl's mom - Outback ...And I can tell you from experience that these cars LOVE the powerband. I used to think my EA81 was gutless (back when I shifted at 3k all the time), but now I see the light! I have witnessed these 8 cars redline on many occasions and they still feel great! Even the Justy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REXSPEEDWORTHY Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 does anybody really drive like this??? right now i drive like i drove my other cars, shifting between 2300-3000rpm for most conditions and i retain 33-37mph circumstantially. i know for a fact that i couldn't do that if i shifted a 4g i'm not even sure how long the engine would last like that You are grandma Moses:grin: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subarian Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 Oh- and as for how long the engine will last- 265,000 so far on one of my subes, 235,000 on another, 166,000 on the "new" one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exister99 Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 WHO THE HELL SHIFTS AT 4000rpm ALL THE TIME!!! I shift at 5000 RPM all of the time. That redline is at 5500 RPM for a reason, as a target! Of course I take excellent care of my engine, use a good synthetic oil and premium filter and keep fuel and spark tuned at all times. Ask most Soobsters and they will tell you that their Soobs love to live at 5000 RPM. Besides, how else would you hit 80 MPH in a 4 speed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbchux Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 And just where is that? I hit boost induced fuel cut before I get to valve float.. but I am a bit curious where the valve float point is. well, my '85 was pretty tired, it could barely get 6.5k my '88s both can hit 7k+ (more like 7200) the '92 hit it around 6.8k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pheonix165 Posted March 1, 2006 Author Share Posted March 1, 2006 wholly crap you guys, i started this thread last night and within 15min there was already 7 responses. then when i got home after work today 3 pages...you guys are ossome. okay so the oil pressure think makes sense, i got the gage and you know what i actually look at it. right now i am running 100% stalk on 87octain. i actually do feel better about revving it higher now... buy the way the old lady i bought the car from said she shifted it at 3500rpm constantly (made me feel really good :-\ ) next tank i'm gunna give the higher octane a shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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