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2.5L 4EAT vs 2.2L 4EAT question


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#1 Skip

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Posted 28 September 2006 - 08:34 AM

I am buying a 97 Outback that has a 2.5L with a 4EAT trans.
Both engine and trans may have issues.
I also may have the chance to pick up a similar year
2.2L with a 4EAT.
Assuming the rear diff ratios match,
will the 2.2L 4EAT work with the TCU from the 2.5L 4EAT,
as in plug and play, or will there be wiring issues?

The manual says the trannys are different
(atleast they have different fluid capacities, possibly only the Torq Conv is larger?)

I have used the search function with many different terms but can not
find an answer to this.

Thanks for any insight.


#2 grossgary

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Posted 28 September 2006 - 11:51 AM

i've wondered the same but never asked specificall, good question. i bet the transmission is plug and play. you could swap the rear diff to match as well if they are different.

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Posted 28 September 2006 - 12:01 PM

The way I understand it they used many different TCU part numbers to control the same trans. The difference was all in the shift behavior. The GT models shifted up later and down earlier than the outback models and so on and so forth. Also, I think I was told the main difference in the trans from 2.2 to 2.5 was the first gear ratio. They kept the 2.2 a little lower for better pull off the line. If you can get the part numbers off the trans you should be able to find out the exact differences from a dealer. The part number was on a sticker on the bell housing near the starter. The part number was TZ102Z2ABA on the one in my 96 Legacy GT Wagon.

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#4 grossgary

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Posted 28 September 2006 - 01:40 PM

good points. i'd bet money you can swap with no TCU issues. but you could swap TCU's as well.

#5 MachineAgeVictim

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Posted 06 October 2006 - 05:50 PM

so will a 2.5 tranny mate with the 2.2 without having to change anything else?

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Posted 06 October 2006 - 06:34 PM

so will a 2.5 tranny mate with the 2.2 without having to change anything else?

As long as the final drive of the tranny matches that of the rear diff, it'll mate up with no hitch.

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Posted 07 October 2006 - 09:07 AM

As long as the final drive of the tranny matches that of the rear diff, it'll mate up with no hitch.


i'm pretty sure the rear end in the 2.5 is 4.44 and the 2.2 is 4.11. when shopping for differentials, the first question they ask is engine size.

#8 MachineAgeVictim

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Posted 07 October 2006 - 10:49 AM

damn, that sucks, any place I can find out for sure?

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Posted 07 October 2006 - 11:06 AM

damn, that sucks, any place I can find out for sure?


i think the only way to find out for sure is to call the dealer parts dept. and give them the tranny part numbers. but even if the rear diffs aren't the same you can swap them as well. the standard when swapping trans. is to get the same year, make and model. or if not that then get the tcu and diff as well. you should be good.

so are you looking to put the 2.2 4eat into the 2.5 car? in theory (theory only) your car will have less torque but better mileage/speed.i think. less torque on a heavier car might make it slugish. but the difference may not be noticable. they say it isn't when you swap the motors.

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Posted 07 October 2006 - 03:23 PM

actually I'm trying to put the 2.5 tranny in the 2.2 car

but if the final isn't the same then it won't work for me, as I am only getting the tranny

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Posted 07 October 2006 - 05:05 PM

They swap fine and internally they are the same, I have rebuilt both. The wiring would be the only difference.

Gotta be the torque converter where the fluid difference is and even those swap easily. Have yours rebuilt (TQ) while its out.

If you wanted to you could take the tailhousing and front differential off the donor car tranny and bolt the original to the car differential to the trans.

The 97 is a 1 year only trans but you can get around that with driveshaft change and minor external wiring changes.

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Posted 07 October 2006 - 11:40 PM

both have the same final gear, shawn?




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