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CV Joint Play in Front Diff
Posted 18 November 2003 - 10:27 PM
How much is too much? The CV joints seem to wiggle quite a bit in the front diff. The seals are leaking a little, but the lube level is good. The amount I can move the joints around in the diff is quite disturbing to me.
I can't find much info on the bearings. Is it an easy job?
Posted 19 November 2003 - 09:35 AM
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Posted 20 November 2003 - 01:21 AM
Originally posted by 99obw
I just wiggled the CV joints on a coworkers 2004 impreza with a manual tranny. They do wiggle a bit, buy mine wiggle much more.
The inner DOJ on my 1993 Legacy wiggled a lot more than the ones on my 2001 Outback. I am fairly certain it is a mileage/wear thing.
So unless you have any problems such as rumbling, or vibration I would leave it alone.
If there is a problem with excessive play, the outdrive seal would probably fail and you would note the leak.
In most cases no oil leak, no rumble, no vibration means no problem.
A small amount of oil on the transmision case and DOJ joints is normal, all seals will leak a bit and odds are it is CV grease that you see not gear oil. The CV boots always leak a bit as it is nearly impossible to get the CV boots to seal perfectly with the clamps that they use.
Posted 20 November 2003 - 05:16 AM
Posted 20 November 2003 - 05:40 AM
Originally posted by 99obw
The car has had a weird vibration from the front under acceleration for a long time. I am wondering if it is due to the loose diff bearings. I am not going to tear into it any time soon, I am simply on a fact finding mission.
Vibration under acceleration is often a sign of a CV joint problem, along with clacking in tight slow corners.
But I would rule out tires (pressure, uneven wear, balance) before taking any action.
If the diff bearings are gone it will rumble or whine LOUDLY as the pinion gear to ring gear angle and mesh would not be correct. You would also most likely see metal shavings in the gear oil (on the magnetic drain plug).
To rule out the diff you could pop the ball joints off the A arm and the pin off the inner DOJ to disconnect the axle from the transmission, and then check the outdrives for play.
On my 1993 Legacy the DOJ joints were loose on the outdrives, but the outdrives had no play. This seems to be quite normal.... When I changed a complete axleshaft I did note that it fit tighter on the outdrive. Perhaps the DOJ housing is made out of a lower quality metal and wears and stretches on the outdrive insert, causing the play.
Are you sure it is a front vibration?
Is the vibration felt more in the steering wheel than in the seat?
Is the vibration present only when going straight, turning right, turning left? (turning left = right wheel bearing bad, and vice versa)
Any difference in vibration when going straight, turning right, turning left?
Compare the vibration when accelerating, braking, coasting in gear and coasting in neutral. Any differences?
How does vibration change with speed?
Any sound (rumble, whine, etc) to go along with the vibration?
Other sources of vibration:
Do you have a hood deflector? Is it tight, and with all of the rubber bumpers present underneath? The reason I ask is that I have seen Subaru's totally apart with mechanics looking for a severe vibration problem, but the vibration was simply a loose hood deflector. Beleive me, a loose hood deflector will make the smoothest road fell like the worst rutted gravel road. If you have a hood deflector jam rags between the hood and deflector and test drive, if the vibration is gone you need to fix the hood deflector.
Another common aerodynamic vibration is the windshield seal, particularly the top. Is it tight? Cover the winshield seal with masking tape and test drive.
What about roof rack? Are the cross bars mounted with the fat part forward? If backwords they will rumble.
Posted 20 November 2003 - 06:43 AM
No sound. No hood deflector. Definately drive train vibration.
Posted 20 November 2003 - 07:57 PM
Posted Yesterday, 03:33 AM
I have this same issue on my gen 3 liberty, it makes a kind of grinding noise when accelerating or engine braking. The noise gets louder with speed and I also have play in the tripod housing after changing my CV boots. It's not super loud, but it's only been there for 100km so far. I think it might be the bearing, I may have caused undue force on them while taking the driveshafts off and on. Is it possible to fix this without any special tools or is indeed the bearing (which i believe is a transmission out job)?
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