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#201 subyrally

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Posted 26 October 2007 - 12:32 PM

man, that car is going to be sex on wheels when its done, lol. :banana:

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Posted 26 October 2007 - 08:49 PM

Alright, here are some ideas for exhaust setups i've had...

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#1 is a dual setup, side exit exhaust... Probably would be hard to do and might look ugly, but it was an idea none the less.

#2 is what i'm leaning the most towards at this point, using a X over muffler with the dual setup exhaust going along both sides of the car keeping it a true "dual" exhaust still.

#3 is using a 4-1 collector going into a 2" pipe and straight back to a regular muffler, the headers would be complicated with this setup but the rest would be very simple.

#4 has headers based on the FF-1 1300G Sports exhaust, which apparently has the front and rear ports seperate instead of each side seperate... Don't know why, but they got 95hp out of that setup so there might be a reason for it.

Let me know if you have any other ideas, I can post the templete I used for these pictures if anyone wants to have fun :)

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Posted 26 October 2007 - 09:16 PM

The header pipes from the 1300 are joint diagonally ie; 1-4, and 2- 3 similar as fig 4 then joint the muffler as in figure 2 but one outlet.
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Posted 26 October 2007 - 11:35 PM

The header pipes from the 1300 are joint diagonally ie; 1-4, and 2- 3 similar as fig 4 then joint the muffler as in figure 2 but one outlet.
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Correct. Here are the exhaust diagrams from the service manual with some color enhancement to show the major differences...

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Posted 27 October 2007 - 08:54 PM

Went pick n' pulling today...

Got some alternator brackets, a mirror from a ~79 wagon, and a EA81 83+ electric distributor that is supposed an upgrade from what i've read (Its not in that great of condition though, but I did want one for reference when I work on the 1100).

Struck out on wheels... No alloy wheels what so ever, despite 3 isles of Subarus :( Pretty picked through, just lots of 13" steelies.


I did do some work on the FF-1 today. Took out the passanger seat and some lower-dash pieces, and a couple things off the floorboards. The passanger seat had battery acid everywhere in it! Someone left a battery on there at the JY I guess, made it hard to work with... I did remove the seat rails, but the rest is useless so I tossed it. I plan on removing a couple of those little brackets on the floor that I won't re-using for sure (like the button brackets for carpet, things like that).

I also found out the sound-deading material is coming off pretty easy, so I think ill try to remove that tommorow :)

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Posted 28 October 2007 - 11:04 AM

Here is a link to my exhaust. I had to get all new since mine was ALL rotted out when I got the car. Sound clips on page one, and pics on page two.

It' dual side with cherry bombs. Kinda similiar to you diagram of side exhaust, but different.
http://www.ultimates...ead.php?t=52335

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Posted 28 October 2007 - 05:40 PM

Seen that vid before ;)

Whats interesting is that this car doesnt sound like the 78 did... Its got a different tone, more porsche/VW-like, and sounds better at higher rpms despite the hole in the muffler. The dual exhaust ports I think make a big difference.

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Posted 28 October 2007 - 06:14 PM

Day 9:

I spent most of today removing the "sound deadening material" from the driver and passagner footwell... MAN thats some tough work! But I did get most of it off, but theres a bit more that will need to come out once the whole dash is removed. You can also see how bad the rust is on the floorboard in some places... :(

I also removed a couple of metal clips and wrap things that were in the driver/passanger wells that were not being used or won't be used (plus, those metal clips welded into the chassis will be a pain in the rump roast when the car gets repainted! Might as well eliminate them)

As you can see, I also removed the seats... The driver seat I kept around just in case, but the passager one (other than the rails) is in the trash.

I ran the car for the whole day too, trying to burn off as much gas as possible. The oil pan is leaking as is the oil temp sensor and the water pump ever so slightly, but thats not a big deal really as I plan on rebuilding all that anyhow. The engine did run good the whole time though, no problems that I saw/heard which is awesome.

Anyway, here are the photos from today... Some interesting things to look at too, including the neat manual vents, and the VERY nice chromed e-brake and the odd shifter:

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Posted 29 October 2007 - 11:26 PM

Why did you throw the seat out? Take the fabric off and use it as a template to re-upholster it, or have a shop re-cover it, it's not THAT expensive, especially since you have the driver's seat to go off of, might be easier than trying to fit newer seats into it.
Also, don't trash anything taking it apart that you migth not be able to replace, a lot of parts can be restored without too much effort! (I've got a 68 Dodge Polara convertible that I've been restoring, there are a LOT of parts on it that I will have to refinish or whatever instead of just replacing, since there is not a whole lot of aftermarket parts available for it. (More than for an ff-1 though...)

Keep up the good work! I had a chance to get an ff-1 back in the day and the day before I went to the yard to get it, it got crushed :mad: But to him it was just a worthless old worn-out Subaru :mad:

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Posted 30 October 2007 - 01:06 AM

Why did you throw the seat out? Take the fabric off and use it as a template to re-upholster it, or have a shop re-cover it, it's not THAT expensive, especially since you have the driver's seat to go off of, might be easier than trying to fit newer seats into it.
Also, don't trash anything taking it apart that you migth not be able to replace, a lot of parts can be restored without too much effort! (I've got a 68 Dodge Polara convertible that I've been restoring, there are a LOT of parts on it that I will have to refinish or whatever instead of just replacing, since there is not a whole lot of aftermarket parts available for it. (More than for an ff-1 though...)

What part of the battery-acid-covered, completely erroded vinyl/foam, totally broken frame, missing/rusted/broken springs, non-functional-recliner/adjustment, did you miss?

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I saved the rails, NOTHING else was salvageable from the passanger seat... I should toss the right rail too, the battery acid rusted it far past the point of no-return. I kept the recliner adjuster... i'm them it "just in case" as you mention.

But I dont plan on keeping the seat bolts in the same location on the floorboard. Right now they are in "divits" in the floorboard, four of which have turned into rust-infested holes, mostly due to being a low point in the floorboard that collects water. Very bad design...

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Posted 31 October 2007 - 03:33 PM

I think i'm just going to have some cust 14" steel wheels made from these guys since they are local and use those cheap khumo race tires to start with...

http://www.stocktonwheel.com

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Posted 31 October 2007 - 08:49 PM

I think i'm just going to have some cust 14" steel wheels made from these guys since they are local and use those cheap khumo race tires to start with...

http://www.stocktonwheel.com


I thought about having them copy my 14" jackmans to get the other 2 I need.....

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Posted 01 November 2007 - 11:25 AM

All right, I think the big thing to do now is pick the tires so I can figure out what offset I need for the wheels... So the big question is: Go with 14" or 15"?

For 14" tires, I will definatly go with the Khumo V700's that are on closeout at Tire Rack (Khumo Ecsta V700 185/55/14, Section width - 7.6", Tread width - N/A, Diameter 21.9", Weight 18lbs). The smaller rotational diameter will make fitament easy, as will the narrower section width. I don't know the tread width though because Khumo doesn't list their tire tread width (although it is a less accurate form of measurement).

For 15" though, I've got it narrowed down to 2 choices...

1) The Khumo SPT 15" (Khumo Ecsta SPT 195/45/15, Section width - 7.7", Tread width N/A, Diameter - 21.9", Weight 17lbs, Cost - $90.00) It has the lowest weight i've found, plus isnt too expensive, AND has the same diameter as the 14" V700's which will make for a nice lower profile on a 15" wheel.

2) The Advan A043 15" (Yokohama Advan A043 185/55/15, Section width - 7.5", Tread width - 6.6", Diameter - 23", Weight 21lbs, Cost - $109.00) This is actually a specialty tire for the MR-S. Its good because its narrow for a 15" tire but not too narrow, probably has a better chance of clearing everything than the Khumo... However, its taller than the Khumo (almost the same diameter as my current tires) so there might be more clearance issues there. Its also the most expensive option.


I'm still not sure which one I want the most right now, but I think i'm leaning towards the V700 due to the price... Thoughts?

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Posted 01 November 2007 - 12:57 PM

You might want to check it out on sites with lots of Auto-x'ers, but the V700 is probably a LOT wider than its indicated size kind of like Hoosiers (where a 205 might be nearly as wide as a 215 in a different brand, etc.).

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Posted 01 November 2007 - 01:11 PM

I do a bit of Auto-x'ing myself, and i've done a couple track days too. V700's are pretty normal in terms of tire size, not like the hoosiers... Hoosiers are obscenely wide for what size they show.

But I am trying to go by tread section width the most, which is generally measured accuratly compaired to actual tire classifications (IE 185/195/205/etc.) and seems to be what people recommend to use for figuring out what tire/wheel fits in a specific fender well.

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Posted 01 November 2007 - 09:12 PM

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Posted 01 November 2007 - 09:13 PM

dude, thats hot.

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Posted 01 November 2007 - 09:33 PM

Looks good. Hopefully whatever you get fits inside the fenders so you can have the car sit lower.

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Posted 01 November 2007 - 11:15 PM

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NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:
My only comment would be to drop the back a little more for a not so dramatic rake. Otherwise DEFINITELY :headbang: .

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Posted 01 November 2007 - 11:23 PM

Keep the rake. Add sidepipes. Those rims fit the bill perfectly. I vote for 14" rim size.

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Posted 02 November 2007 - 12:18 AM

Keep the rake. Add sidepipes. Those rims fit the bill perfectly. I vote for 14" rim size.



Would you get those made up from stockton? What are they... black steelies with a chrome dog dish and beauty ring?

My monitor quality isn't the greatest, so I cannot really tell...

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Posted 02 November 2007 - 01:12 AM

More news...

I think I found where I want to purchase seats from: http://www.classiccarseats.com/

Would you get those made up from stockton? What are they... black steelies with a chrome dog dish and beauty ring?

Pretty much. I'd probably get the dish with some sort of holes/spokes though, probably more like this but definatly the flat center cap:

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Ill probably take a trip there sometime and see what they have in person to get a better idea of my options.

Keep the rake. Add sidepipes. Those rims fit the bill perfectly. I vote for 14" rim size.

That photoshop is actually exactly the same size as the 15" rims that were on the car, so the scale is pretty close. I tried downsizing them a little to 14" size, and it just changes the charecter more than you would expect... I'm still not sure which direction to go.

BTW, the rake is only because of how the car is raked right now, I plan on running a more even rake.

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Posted 02 November 2007 - 02:09 AM

The latest photoshop picture is looking fantastic Kostamojen! Looks very '1960s cool'. :grin:

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Posted 03 November 2007 - 06:14 AM

The only problem I have with the current photochop is the black around the front lenses. I think that it would work better if it could be repeated on back, but it can't.

Other than that, I was hoping this thread was years old when I stumbled across it because I can't wait to see how it looks when you're done! Looks like it landed in some very good hands. :)

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Posted 03 November 2007 - 09:43 AM

Wow! looking through this thread really brings back memories of my first car a 1971 FF-1 station wagon. I cut my car work milk teeth on this car. I owned the car from 1976-79. Getting parts for it was an adventure at that time. There was no real fan powered defrost, just the heat. It relied on car speed for the defrost. That was the big design flaw in my mind...

The suspension was great! I used to jack the rear end up with the 8mm Allen wrench for heavy loads. The oil leaked out of the transmission during a long trip and the syncro's died. That was an adventure for an 18 year old Subie newbie. I found a junkyard trannie and some small garage changed it for me. It looked like rocket science to me at the time....I'm now in the middle of a head gasket job on a 96 OBW... That trannie change looks so simple in hind sight.

The inboard front brakes were neat... I could tie large diameter short rope lengths on the tires to function as chains . I was almost tunneling through the snow during one blizzard. Well, that is exagerating. The snow was starting to come up over the hood...

Finally the throw-out bearing failed and I/we bought the first (and only) new 1979 DL wagon. On to an 81 GL wagon, a 79 DL wagon, 2-84 GL hatchbacks, 89 Justy RS "Dinkie", 87-92-92 Loyale wagons driving as one... and finally somebody gave me a 96 OBW with blown HG (current project)

Good luck, This kind of restoration fascinates me...

What kind of mileage did the 1100cc engine get. It has been so long....




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