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Sooby in the Baja 1000?
Posted 16 October 2007 - 10:48 AM
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Posted 19 October 2007 - 05:55 PM
I stayed home from work today to sit with my son, who has an earache. We were watching TV, and there was a show on about the Baja 1000. I got to thinking, would it be possible to build a wagon that could make it, not for the win, but for the run. I am thinking about a mid eighties wagon with a EA25 and all wheel drive, with at least a 4" lift. There are roads but, they are rather rough, and I think the all wheel drive would be better in the long run. Strip out the interior, put some comfortable seats in, and go. Just another idea, what do you think?
you mean ej25?
Posted 21 October 2007 - 11:55 PM
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Posted 28 October 2007 - 11:55 PM
Anything is possible. It's just how bad do you want to do it.
Hey I know if I had the cash I'd love to have a crack at it in my old GL.
If nothing else just for the fun of it and to make people think I was nuts.
Posted 28 October 2007 - 11:59 PM
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Posted 03 November 2007 - 03:27 PM
I would love to see a Sube in the Baja, though. I dream of making the Leg do it.
We should make a concerted effort, as a community, to get a Subaru through the ENTIRE Baja.
Who knows how to build suspensions?
A few of us have cars...we need to make it happen.
Posted 25 November 2007 - 03:20 PM
Heres some of my thoughts, which I am sure some of you might disagree with.
A WRX is not designed for this race, infact any EJ or Later car is not designed for this race. Our biggest enemy is the weight of the car compared to the size of the suspension components. I'm sorry but any Legacy, outback, or forester is just TOO heavy to take that kind of offroad punishment.
Power is the last of your worries in this race. What you want is an engine that you can throw a hand grenade in, and then keep driving. Fingers point to an EJ22 (or EJ18) for this, or if you wanted to eliminate the timing belt, good old fashoned EA81 power. (though even the ea81 I have my doubts, problems with pistons and coolant going to non-coolant places).
For a drivetrain the greatest advantage is probably something that will "give" to abuse, persay a pushbutton 5sp 4wd(clutch actuated 4wd), OR an Auto 4wd. (I really hate driving an auto, but I think a M41A or a 4EAT, built with some shift kit parts will probably do nicely) The EJ series auto is pretty indestructable, but a notable bit heavier
Keep it real, you aint fittin any tire bigger than 25 inches on a subaru provided you dont have replacement axles every 5 miles or so.
Something needs to be done about the strut mounts that wont handle that kind of torture. going over a just a few jumps can destroy a brand new set of macpherson strut mounts. Probably should have some non-subaru suspension added in as stated earlier
The rear suspension is pretty bulletproof, probably the best bet is an ea82 suspension OR an ea81 torsion bar with the ea82 struts added. Actually adding a boxed-in 4inch lift to the ea81 torsion bar allows for some great travel without compromising any strength.
Glass doesnt last in a baja car, and I am pretty sure all glass has to be eliminated minus the windshield (which breaks pretty early in the race anyway). All windows are required to have nets instead. Here comes the big question... what bodystyle?
ea81 Wagon -excellent long wheelbase and interior room, however I can see removing the glass making the car somewhat flexible in an undesirable way. Not to heavy
ea81 Hatch - wheelbase is too short, your going to hurt yourself
ea81 or ea82 Sedan - less 4wd versions, and I dont thing they are all that rigid of a chassis to begin with, not that much usable interior room.
Brat - NO CABIN ROOM, and they can be nostalgic and expensive these days. I'd feel bad if I really totaled a brat (again). If you dont mind being in physical therapy the rest of your life this is the perfect race vehicle for you!
ea82 wagon - great chassis, honestly I feel this vehicle is too heavy though. your throwing on 300 lbs somehow between a wider track and more interior comfort. Excellent long wheelbase though. once again, what happends to rigidity when there is no more glass?
ea82 coupe/RX 2 door - not too much usable interior space, plenty of cabin room however. giant glass rear window that will not be there in the race, which will probably be replaced with some kind of "roll bar thing" These cars tend to be desirable still, and finding one to cut up might be difficult.
Justy - NO
XT/XT6 - Not really an offroad car, and NO room. Just not a good idea.
What is our end result?
Probably the best candidate is an ea81 or an ea82 wagon
MAYBE a small lift in the rear for travel as long as the blocks are tied together.
Front end will probably need a lot of help no matter what route you go
Weight is the biggest enemy in the car, so the more that can be removed, the better. Weld up some plates over the rear windows or something. A spec roll bar is required anyway, so to keep body rigidity add a couple of upper interior mounts to the roof/pillar area.
I am not an offroad race car driver. I am not a offroad design engineer. Criticism is understood and welcome.
Posted 26 November 2007 - 12:17 AM
My preference and thought would be an EA81 Wagon.
Anyone know what the rules/limits are to enter. I was on the SCORE website, but couldn't find much that was helpful. Ended up on youtube and getting wistful. I think the idea has great potential. Would love to be able to see a subie go flying over one of those jumps alongside some of the best in the world and hold it's own.
If my subie knowledge continues to grow, the Draconic Automotive team may just enter this race in a reborn old subie.
Posted 26 November 2007 - 09:58 PM
Posted 27 November 2007 - 03:13 PM
Tube frame, full .095 cage with factory ea81 rear, mount a EJ22 and 2wheel drive five speed rear mount in the hatch. Sure the shifter would take some engineering but possible. Fab in that long arm buggie front control arms and steering. Last but not least skin a ea82 body and hang it on the cage. Gets your weight around 1800 pounds and best of all it's all subaru, well almost. Just my 2 cents...
My thoughts exactly. You could even set up the rear suspension on a swing arm, chain drive set up to get more travel.
The shifter could be cable operated. 4 cables to move the shift rod in, out, rotate left, rotate right.
I have ideas, but no time or space to make this happen.
Gyoas, if you guys do enter, give me some lead time so I can lend a hand wrenching or driving chase.
Posted 27 November 2007 - 09:31 PM
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