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Diehard Subaru owner pissed off at Subaru...
Posted 24 June 2003 - 09:24 PM
Posted 25 June 2003 - 01:29 AM
Posted 25 June 2003 - 01:39 AM
Shhhh she doesnt know that though
Posted 25 June 2003 - 03:43 AM
So I'd say there definately is a problem with your brakes. They probably develop too much heat, that's why the pads wear so quickly and the rotors warp. Maybe try after market pads on cost of Subaru?
Is stopping power also affected or is brake performance as it should be (until they're worn)? What about pedal feel?
Posted 25 June 2003 - 07:52 AM
Also, the dealer is replacing everything for free even though they feel it may have been your doing, I think that's good customer service. You need to give the dealer a break, it's not their fault you are having problems, you have to take it up with Subaru. However, I think it's too soon to start looking at the lemon laws.
Posted 25 June 2003 - 08:49 AM
actually has a good point. From the dealer's perspective, as much griping as they can get from customers, they have no clue REALLY how you drive. I think they're doing well to try to extend the benefit of a doubt.
On the other hand, there is a problem that seems unique to your car. Do you drive in sandy or dusty places, or get a lot of rain/moisture at night that could generate rust buildup and shorten pad/rotor life when it grinds off in the morning?
The thing is, it's not just one wheel... it's all 4. it's consistent. If this doesn't fix, I'd try a good set of aftermarket semi-metallic pads and aftermarket rotors. See how that goes. Honestly tho, with 106,000 my rotors never even needed to be turned--- I like the oem rotor experiences I had.
Posted 25 June 2003 - 01:54 PM
is the car an automatic?
Posted 25 June 2003 - 03:03 PM
I might also add that one of Subaru' excuses is that the LL Bean wagon ways 1000 pounds more than the basic 4 cylinder version of the wagon. This however, is false information on Subaru's part since the LLBean wagon actually weights 3715 pounds and the basic 4 cylinder wagon weights in slightly less at 3430 pounds, a mere difference of 285 pounds. Are they trying to hide something?
Posted 25 June 2003 - 03:11 PM
when you drive an automatic... you use the brakes about 100% more than the averate MT driver.
I downshift... A LOT... i hardly ever use my brakes on my daily commute.... 60k+ miles and still the stock pads....
but... the SUV's and other AT's i see...
have to use the brakes to slow...
have to use the brakes excessively on downhill...
have to use the brakes at each and every stop light.
i dont know how you drive...
but if all 4 pads and the rotors are gone that rapidly,
well either it's your method of driving...
or someone is out hot rodding while you're sleeping
i have to side on the dealership with this one.
Posted 25 June 2003 - 05:09 PM
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Posted 25 June 2003 - 06:08 PM
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Posted 25 June 2003 - 08:06 PM
Also, dude mentioned "beach town." That says "salt" to me. Wondering...
But he hasn't had these probs with other vehicles.
New brakes have different materials maybe?
Posted 26 June 2003 - 06:12 AM
2psi in the lines will help keep the pistons in the calipers from rolling back in, but I doubt that will seriously increase brake wear.
Posted 26 June 2003 - 08:45 AM
Posted 26 June 2003 - 01:01 PM
1) Living in a beach town means salty air = erosion on metallic pads and possibly rotors
2) Beach town also may mean blowing sand - like a sand paper getting onto the pads.
3) If your idle is incorrectly set up, i.e. pulling your car faster than it should - you use more braking to hold it while stopped and while slowing down or in stop-and-go traffic.
All things combined may wear out your brakes musch faster
Posted 26 June 2003 - 05:21 PM
Posted 26 June 2003 - 07:00 PM
Posted 26 June 2003 - 07:44 PM
Automatic transmission = lots of brake use
With those factors, 8,000-12,000 mi between brake jobs seems almost to be expected. Add some hard driving, or maybe lots of in-town driving, or perhaps some climate issues and that would explain everything.
My wife's pervious car, a '94 Chevrolet V6 auto, required frequent brake jobs. I suspect her current '03 H6 Sedan will too. On the other hand, my '98 OBW (5MT) has 93,000 mi on its original pads and rotors, and I'm a harder driver than she is. I had all four wheels off a couple of weekends ago to bleed the brake lines and everything checked out. With my car, I do a lot downshifting. When I drive my wife's car I'm forced to rely on the brakes much more.
I think what you're experiencing is near what is to be expected with the type of vehicle you have.
Posted 27 June 2003 - 06:18 AM
Posted 28 June 2003 - 12:31 AM
Actually, it is more like:
" AWD wagon six cylinder engine lots of creature comforts = merely 285 pounds heavier than the same year 4 cylinder model"
As for driving style, my braking is not different at all with my 6 cylinder Outback than it was with my 4 cylinder (same commute exactly), but the 4 cylinder went up to 30K miles with no problem. The addition of 285 pounds should make little difference on the brake life.
Posted 28 June 2003 - 10:27 AM
The new Subarus have very open rim designs that could allow more airborne particulate/salt to contact breaking surfaces than, say, the old steel wheels with plastic cover.
What kind of wheels were on your older cars?
Posted 28 June 2003 - 02:55 PM
Posted 28 June 2003 - 04:07 PM
Posted 06 July 2003 - 04:26 AM
As for the aggressive driving comment (which is valid advice for ALL drivers BTW), I am not driving very aggressively (if at all) or any different now than I was before (I have two very young daughters who wouldn't appreciate dad getting them wrapped around a tree due to careless driving!). Anyway, no conditions have changed at all except for the car itself.
I'm starting to think that maybe I'm just pissing into the wind on this one... (sigh)
Posted 06 July 2003 - 10:13 AM
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