Jump to content


Welcome to Ultimate Subaru Message Board, my lurker friend!

Welcome to Ultimate Subaru Message Board, an unparalleled Subaru community full of the greatest Subaru gurus and modders on the planet! We offer technical information and discussion about all things Subaru, the best and most popular all wheel drive vehicles ever created.

We offer all this information for free to everyone, even lurkers like you! All we ask in return is that you sign up and give back some of what you get out - without our awesome registered users none of this would be possible! Plus, you get way more great stuff as a member! Lurk to lose, participate to WIN*!
  • Say hello and join the conversation
  • Subscribe to topics and forums to get automatic updates
  • Get your own profile and make new friends
  • Classifieds with all sorts of Subaru goodies
  • Photo hosting in our gallery
  • Meet other cool people with cool cars
Seriously, what are you waiting for? Make your life more fulfilling and join today! You and your Subaru won't regret it, we guarantee** it.

* The joy of participation and being generally awesome constitutes winning
** Not an actual guarantee, but seriously, you probably won't regret it!

Serving the Subaru Community since May 18th, 1998!

Guest Message by DevFuse
 

Photo
- - - - -

'82 Brat: Solid Axle Build *** DONE! :) ***


  • Please log in to reply
462 replies to this topic

#76 TeamCF

TeamCF

    Rocker panel smasher

  • Members
  • 1,271 posts
  • Sandy, OR

Posted 13 January 2009 - 08:31 PM

Trail Tough Rear Driveline Disconnect for Sammy t-case with Toyota driveshaft flange


So am I reading that right?

You're even putting Dig on it!?

Sweet. :)

#77 VaporTrail

VaporTrail

    Brattitude Adjustment

  • Administrator
  • 11,157 posts
  • Central Iowa

Posted 13 January 2009 - 08:50 PM

So am I reading that right?

You're even putting Dig on it!?

Sweet. :)


Well, the way I see it, it'll have front wheel drive still :)

#78 brumbyrunner

brumbyrunner

    New User

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 21 posts
  • Northern Territory

Posted 13 January 2009 - 10:21 PM

Why the narrower front axle? Your scrub radius will be all wrong with the wheel spacers. :confused:

#79 Numbchux

Numbchux

    EJ conversion addict

  • Members
  • 5,994 posts
  • Duluth, MN

Posted 14 January 2009 - 12:08 AM

Why the narrower front axle? Your scrub radius will be all wrong with the wheel spacers. :confused:


because toyota stopped making solid front axles in the US in '86. which happened to be the same year they widened the rear axles.

so choices are, use the narrower rear to match, or wheel spacers. thousands of toyota guys use spacers. the scrub radius change is not a big deal, it's not like this is an AutoX car.

#80 VaporTrail

VaporTrail

    Brattitude Adjustment

  • Administrator
  • 11,157 posts
  • Central Iowa

Posted 14 January 2009 - 12:19 AM

Why the narrower front axle? Your scrub radius will be all wrong with the wheel spacers. :confused:


I wanted to use Toyota axles. the stock brat rear axle width is 58",so I wentwith the 86+ wider axles to make sure everything was clearing with the new suspension travel...

and I wanted to get the fronts out to match (well a tad wider).

For the type of use this will have, I will accept the extra stress and wear it'll get because of the scrub radius....

I will be losing sheetmetal too....

#81 jbbvw

jbbvw

    USMB is life!

  • Members
  • 192 posts
  • Tacoma

Posted 14 January 2009 - 02:10 AM

I just read through this thread for the first time. This thing is going to be unreal!!!! I can't wait to see it finished. Now I have to try and get to sleep with lots of crazy ideas racing through my head for my '81 wagon or ???. Nice fab work and good luck with everything.

#82 The Dude Abides

The Dude Abides

    WileE Coyote Super Genius

  • Members
  • 2,963 posts
  • West Des Moines, IA

Posted 14 January 2009 - 02:34 AM

So does this mean you will have a dual range for sale. And did i read 17 inch wheels. For the love of god Y:eek:

#83 The Beast I Drive

The Beast I Drive

    CALL ME, (509) 391-5903

  • Members
  • 2,120 posts
  • Toppenish, WA

Posted 14 January 2009 - 02:35 AM

No, he's running the power from the tailshaft of the D/R to the transfer case, if i read this all correctly
-Bill

#84 brumbyrunner

brumbyrunner

    New User

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 21 posts
  • Northern Territory

Posted 14 January 2009 - 05:31 AM

I wanted to use Toyota axles. the stock brat rear axle width is 58",so I wentwith the 86+ wider axles to make sure everything was clearing with the new suspension travel...

and I wanted to get the fronts out to match (well a tad wider).

For the type of use this will have, I will accept the extra stress and wear it'll get because of the scrub radius....

I will be losing sheetmetal too....


Austalia got live front axles in the Hilux (your Toyota truck) until '97. There's a mod I've heard of here that uses IFS hubs on a live axle that gives an extra 2" of track if you're interested. I bet you'll lose plenty of sheetmetal. The more you lose the better it gets.:)
Keep posting plenty of pics.

#85 BlueJeep

BlueJeep

    New User

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 17 posts
  • Des Moines, IA

Posted 14 January 2009 - 09:48 AM

Mick explored the option of using the IFS hubs, but it only increases the track width by 3" and the scrub radius would be the same as using spacers (since the king pins aren't moving). The spacers were cheap and easy and we didn't have to use spacers between the hub and the rotor this way. The Toyota axles have been great for this project because of the sheetmetal housings' ability to have brackets welded on just about anywhere. They're light and strong and have a tremendous aftermarket parts availability.

#86 VaporTrail

VaporTrail

    Brattitude Adjustment

  • Administrator
  • 11,157 posts
  • Central Iowa

Posted 14 January 2009 - 10:13 AM

So does this mean you will have a dual range for sale. And did i read 17 inch wheels. For the love of god Y:eek:


No, he's running the power from the tailshaft of the D/R to the transfer case, if i read this all correctly
-Bill



right, no D/R for sale. the one in it has about 210k on it, and I've got a nice 80k one stored at my parents house for when this one finally gives up :)
stored with it is the matching 80k ea82 carbed engine that IS for sale though :) )

#87 The Dude Abides

The Dude Abides

    WileE Coyote Super Genius

  • Members
  • 2,963 posts
  • West Des Moines, IA

Posted 14 January 2009 - 10:18 AM

17s Mick. Why didnt you go 15s with more meat on the sidewalls

#88 VaporTrail

VaporTrail

    Brattitude Adjustment

  • Administrator
  • 11,157 posts
  • Central Iowa

Posted 14 January 2009 - 10:30 AM

17s Mick. Why didnt you go 15s with more meat on the sidewalls


better road manners since this won't be a trail only rig, plus my wheels are still less than half the tire height. plenty of meat there still.... and it's only an inch of sidewall difference.....

and more than I had before....

http://www.ultimates...6&pictureid=345

#89 VaporTrail

VaporTrail

    Brattitude Adjustment

  • Administrator
  • 11,157 posts
  • Central Iowa

Posted 19 January 2009 - 10:19 PM

Chris sent some pics of the steering test fit.
stock frame rail has been cut away. new frame rail section will go straight towards the front, not angled out like the stock rails...

Posted Image
Posted Image

#90 BlueJeep

BlueJeep

    New User

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 17 posts
  • Des Moines, IA

Posted 19 January 2009 - 10:31 PM

And this is why Mick had previously stated that he can't run any wider of a motor in this. I will move the steering box forward about an inch and french it into the new frame rail up to an inch to get better steering at full lock and full stuff. The steering shaft actually heads down out of the toyota box to meet up with the brat steering column at the firewall.

In that first picture you can see what's left of the very front of the stock frame rail. The new rail section is 2x4 .120 wall rectangular tube, which will be blended into the stock rail and braced. The front is completely inside of where the stock one poked through the radiator support.

#91 970subaru

970subaru

    Subaru Fanatic!

  • Members
  • 461 posts
  • Seattle, WA

Posted 20 January 2009 - 04:03 AM

maybe consider running coilover coils. lighter, narrower(packaging), and available in just about any rate and length you could want. jeep coils are going to be pretty stiff for a vehicle that light. even the 2.5 jeep motor is way heavier than an EA plus they are a heavier vehicle to begin with.
check these out, plenty of rates available. also swayaway, eibach, probably a few others.

http://www.afabcorp....ct_coil-over-14

wider, longer
http://www.afabcorp...._springs-2-rear

airshocks would be bad rump roast but expensive and a pain to tune.

got any more pics of the front link setup? and are you going to run a panhard?

also have you thought about what the rig might weigh when you are done? looks like it will be right around 2700 maybe a bit less.



and freakin SAWEEET build!!

Edited by 970subaru, 20 January 2009 - 04:30 AM.


#92 BlueJeep

BlueJeep

    New User

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 17 posts
  • Des Moines, IA

Posted 20 January 2009 - 09:22 AM

We talked a little bit about the coilover coils as being an option, but wanted to explore the lower-cost option of TJ coils first. It looks like the TJ coils are going to work out great. The thing to keep in mind, is that layout is completely different on a TJ and the Soob, so it's not a direct comparison when talking about how much they weigh. On a 2.5 TJ, the balancer is about 6" back from the center of the front axle (weight is much farther back) and on the stretched Soob, the bellhousing is pretty much above the front axle centerline. With the weight of the brat on the coils, the height is within 1/2" of what a buddy said they were on a stock TJ, and that's without a front bumper or winch.

Yes, it'll have a panhard. I always build them last after the steering is done to try to get as little bump steer as possible. We'll see about getting you more pictures of the 3 link.

It'll weigh quite a bit more than a stock brat, but a lot of that will be unsprung weight (axles, wheels/tires). There is about 60' of 1 1/2" .120 wall tubing in it so far, with probably 20' more to go. Plus, the sammy transfer case. I don't think I cut enough sheetmetal out of it yet to offset the additions...:rolleyes:

#93 VaporTrail

VaporTrail

    Brattitude Adjustment

  • Administrator
  • 11,157 posts
  • Central Iowa

Posted 21 January 2009 - 11:54 AM

ordered my front brake upgrade parts today....

#94 VaporTrail

VaporTrail

    Brattitude Adjustment

  • Administrator
  • 11,157 posts
  • Central Iowa

Posted 22 January 2009 - 10:33 AM

wow! 17x9 wheels are huge!

#95 The Beast I Drive

The Beast I Drive

    CALL ME, (509) 391-5903

  • Members
  • 2,120 posts
  • Toppenish, WA

Posted 22 January 2009 - 03:33 PM

No s**t? thats almost as tall with no rubber on there as the stock tires on a Brat :eek: But with 35' tires it should look alright and perform pretty good on and off road. I personally like 14 and 15" wheels, I like as much tire as possible. :banana:
-Bill

#96 VaporTrail

VaporTrail

    Brattitude Adjustment

  • Administrator
  • 11,157 posts
  • Central Iowa

Posted 28 January 2009 - 09:58 AM

Chris now has the Brat sitting on the coils. Used Stock TJ coils.

Hope to get more pics this weekend...

#97 VaporTrail

VaporTrail

    Brattitude Adjustment

  • Administrator
  • 11,157 posts
  • Central Iowa

Posted 29 January 2009 - 02:11 AM

Chris sent some sneak peek pics....

Rear Coils
Posted Image
Posted Image

Toyota IFS Steering Box and new frame rail
Posted Image
Posted Image
Posted Image

Tire test fit to try and determine new wheel well edge....
Posted Image
Posted Image

#98 The Beast I Drive

The Beast I Drive

    CALL ME, (509) 391-5903

  • Members
  • 2,120 posts
  • Toppenish, WA

Posted 29 January 2009 - 04:29 AM

Man that thing really is going to be a monster!!!!! I love it! :headbang:
-Bill

#99 brumbyrunner

brumbyrunner

    New User

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 21 posts
  • Northern Territory

Posted 29 January 2009 - 05:43 AM

Absolutely sensational. Keep the pics coming.

#100 SoobieDoo

SoobieDoo

    GL's...the luxury wheeler

  • Members
  • 838 posts
  • ZigZag

Posted 29 January 2009 - 12:10 PM

You mentioned earlier that this will be on/off road rig. Think it'll still be freeway legal...what kinda top speed you hoping for? Amazing build, guys!!!




1 user(s) are reading this topic

1 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users


    scubaroo84