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2005 Outbacks to be Light Trucks
Posted 15 January 2004 - 06:13 PM
Posted 15 January 2004 - 07:03 PM
The engines will be the same as the regular Legacies, so I don't see why emissions or gas mileage would even matter. I doubt Subaru would tune the Outbacks any different than the Legacies.
What's the deal with the tint on the side windows?
Posted 16 January 2004 - 09:26 PM
The deal is that the Legacy fleet will be averaged in with the more-fuel-efficient Impreza line to determine the CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel Economy) for passenger cars, and the equally-htirsty OB line will be averaged in with the less-thirsty Forester on the light-truck side.
Posted 16 January 2004 - 09:35 PM
Trucks and SUVs typically cost less to build, hence the profits for auto makers are larger. Subaru (or GM) is doing this to capitalize on the success of the Outback name which they'll probably cheapen by producing substandard vehicles -- cheap "ladder" frames instead of the safer unibody construction, heavier (lower gas mileage), etc.
I bought my OBW because I wanted AWD without the stigma of driving a gas guzzling SUV. Note: I don't like the Sierra Club guy either -- 'cause they don't like mountain bikers. :moon:
Looks like my next new (used) Subaru will be a Brighton wagon. That's not a bad thing y'know! IMHO they are a pretty sexy-looking vehicle
I love my Outback, because, unlike an SUV, it really CAN do it all (except for maybe the most extreme stuff).
I just hope Subaru doesn't screw up a good thing!! :-\
Posted 16 January 2004 - 09:57 PM
Posted 17 January 2004 - 02:41 PM
The legacys will keep the normal aspirated engine and will be able to meet federal guidelines so they can be a car.
Posted 17 January 2004 - 04:30 PM
The rules are retarded, but welcome to the realm of government regulation! Why can't my Outback legally have dark tint in the back, yet a Chevy Trail Blazer can? What the hell is the difference between the two vehicles concerning tint? I asked my local state inspector that exact question as he was failing me for tint a prior owner installed, after I just watched him finish his lunch break and get out of his Trail Blazer with legal black tint. He didn't bother to answer.
As far as Subaru setting a precident... NO WAY. Extremists on both sides of these types of debates tend to make untrue statements. I invite anyone to look on the government's own fuel economy web page and see how vehicles are classified. SUV's are classified as trucks. Forester (car), PT Cruiser (car), Chrysler Pacifica (car), Pontiac Aztec (minivan), Audi Allroad (Audi's answer to Volvo's Cross Country which is Volvo's answer to our beloved Outback), and Nissan Morano (grey area) are all classified as SUV's! This is the same catagory hosting vehicles such as Chevy Avalanche (pick up truck), Dodge Durango (truck based SUV), Jeep Wrangler, and Cadillac Escalade!
I believe the PT Cruiser set the precident in recent times of being the most ridiculous vehicle to be classified as a truck.
Posted 17 January 2004 - 06:39 PM
I wish people would stop picking on a company that at this point is trying to cater to the mainstream AND be environmentally friendly. I don't see the Sierra Club going after people with Avalanches or Escalade pickup trucks---but doesn't Subaru donate, rather heavily, to Leave No Trace, among others?
Posted 18 January 2004 - 09:04 PM
Subaru would never start producing vehicles with ladder frames and such, because of principle and that is just wouldn't make sense economically. It might be cheaper to make vehicles that way, but not for subaru because they would have to re-tool everything specifically for that model because all of their manufacturing facilities are already set up for making cars with unibodies, which is still the way that they would continue to make all their other cars. Subaru has always been and always will be a CAR company.
As has been said already, I don't necessarily agree with classifying the outback as a truck, but I'm not angry about it for two reasons: Nothing is really being changed from the way the outback was when it was classified as a car. They are adding window tinting and maybe a couple of other nitpicky things. The fuel economy and emissions aren't going to get worse. And subaru is doing this sort of thing to a VERY small extent compared to other manufacturers. That doesn't necessarily make it right, but what makes it okay in my book is that overall, subaru is a much "greener" company than most.
Posted 18 January 2004 - 09:46 PM
Posted 19 January 2004 - 12:59 PM
Snowman, I agree that economics will keep SOA from building them cheaper (for now) since they are tooled up for unibody construction, etc. But if sales of GM SUVs ever decline, maybe they'll retool one of their truck assemply plants to build Subies (regardless of the configuration).
Regarding the role of "principles" in this issue: Apparently the faction within SOA with principles and who cares about the environment (marketing?!) is being pushed aside by the accountants. Principles are the first thing to be thrown out when the potential for higher profits comes into play. It's not right, but it is real.
Let's face it -- if SOAs accountants were "principled" there would have been a head gasket recall years ago.
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