djbroadus Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 so we got the pulley off but the housing on the pump is broken so the piece with the o ring that enters the block is stuck, what the hell am i suppose to do? i cant pull out i dont have anything to hold on to. this is not good, trying to improve the car and this what happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baccaruda Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 you could put some vise grips on it and heat up the block with a torch perhaps, or weld a pawn shop steering wheel puller to it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subarubrat Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 Can you post some pics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djbroadus Posted January 20, 2004 Author Share Posted January 20, 2004 maybe tommorow I can have my friend come down hes got a camera. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archemitis Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 have you tried turning the motor over, to wobble it out of it s hole. i admit im not sure what your talking about, pics would help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbrat Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 I had the same problem on a 85 hatch. the piece inside the motor has an opening for the oil flow, and I was able to very carefully, and very slowly use a big screwdriver to rotate the piece of the pump inside, slowly applylying pressure to slide the pice out.... it took me a few hours! but all came out nicely without any damage... I was on a creeper underneath the front end... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qman Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 There are two 10mm head bolts that go into the block above the oil pump. Slightly loosen these and it will relieve enough pressure that you'll have better luck getting it out. Use Mick's technique or use a couple of small 90 degree picks to wiggle it out. Make sure that you do not gouge the inner area. When you install the new pump be sure that you retighten those bolts or you'll have leaks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Hawks Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 << I removed my Post, I put it in the wrong place >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djbroadus Posted January 20, 2004 Author Share Posted January 20, 2004 Originally posted by Qman There are two 10mm head bolts that go into the block above the oil pump. Slightly loosen these and it will relieve enough pressure that you'll have better luck getting it out. Use Mick's technique or use a couple of small 90 degree picks to wiggle it out. Make sure that you do not gouge the inner area. When you install the new pump be sure that you retighten those bolts or you'll have leaks. Which way should I turn it, counter, there are no grooves that its in right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djbroadus Posted January 20, 2004 Author Share Posted January 20, 2004 I'm not seeing those 10mm's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. RX Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 I'll call you, if possible, I'll stop by later today if you are not at work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djbroadus Posted January 20, 2004 Author Share Posted January 20, 2004 im here now till about 3 im suppose to work but have no car, i'm probably gonna use my roomates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbrat Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 no grooves or threads. it should spin either direction, so you can work it back and forth..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. RX Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 All fixed now. Boy did he do a good job of breaking the pump. the only part that was not inside the block was a tab of aluminum between the top two bolt holes. I used a screw driver to get what was left to twist in the hole. Then I took my small chisle and got in behind the tab and made little tabs on the chisle. It took some time but it finally started to move out of the hole, so I moved to a bigger hammer and tapped a little harder, within seconds the broken part was on the ground. We cleaned up the mateing surface and installed the new pump. When I left Kyle, he was finishing bolting up the rest of the parts. It is probably running by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonOfScio Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 I undergo this same operator today. Had my pump break on my last week. Got my new one and a rebuild kit sitting right next to my car *waiting* to get put in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. RX Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 Jon, see if it will twist (pull on the filter, towards the ground), if it will do that, the removal will go a lot easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonOfScio Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 no, I think you missed the point: my pump BROKE. It's in like 6 pieces. The cover plate that goes over the pump housing and the cylinder and gear, broke. It's stuck inside the oil pump housing on the block. I have to somehow manage to either bang it out, or pull it out. The old pump is sitting on the ground along with about 4 or 5 other pieces of the oil pump cover. (the flate plate that is held on the pump by two screws and covers the oil pump piston) Now, THIS will be a fun time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. RX Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 Sounds like fun, Good Luck!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonOfScio Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 man, that was lots of fun. pulled the radiator bolts and pulled the grill. put my radiator on top of my engine (this is sooo cool! caboobaroo and hondasucks showed me) so i could get more room to play with my oil pump remains. I eventually broke it into pieces so that it would come out on it's own. the shaft that enters the block got turned into like three pieces plus crumbs. fun times. new pump, new seal kit, new oil pan gasket, no leaks. needs three quarts new oil. I turned it over without the filter on the pump. I know, I'm an idiot. heh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subarubrat Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 Where are you buying your pumps? I can't fnd anyone that has these in stock (for the ER27) other than thepartsbin.com (who has allot of harder to find gaskets and such at usually good prices) And they want $250 for the oil pump. The ER27 pump seems identical to the EA82. Anyone know if htey are the same flow rate and all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonOfScio Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 you know, I used to own a chilton that covered all cars from '85 til '95. (or thereabouts) I wish I still had it. It would probably show the XT6 and EA82 pumps. I actually remember looking at that section. Someone on the boards has to have a manual that covers that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonOfScio Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 Subarubrat: I checked out parts numbers, and pictures. The oil pump for EA82 engines and ER27 engines are *completely* different and about $130 difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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