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#1 Loyale 2.7 Turbo

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Posted 30 July 2009 - 11:44 PM

Hi Everybody!

As I Already Told at This Thread: http://www.ultimates...ead.php?t=99888

I am Having Brake Problems with my Everyday Warrior Subie, (The Rear Ones I Hope to Swap there Discs and Throw the Drums soon) the Question is About the Front Brakes.

I Really Need to Change the Whole Front Brakes System except the Discs Because they are New and in Great Shape; the Problem are that the Caliper Pumps got Stickin` Pistons plus the e-Brake System is no longer Working anymore, and Dripping Brake Fluid.

So I Want to Obtain some Front Calipers from a Newer Subie model, that (if Possible) might Direct Fit my Subie`s Knucles... you know: Without Transforming Parts, Just Swap Because I Can not Stop my Subie for more time than a Weekend...

I Understand that the Newer Subies Brake Systems Doesn`t have the Front e-Brake, but I Don`t need it too Much... What I Really Need is to have Safe Braking: Now I Transport my Baby Child & my Wife everyday...

Does Someone Know Which Newer Subie Model Brakes can Fit my Loyale ones?

Thank you So Much!

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#2 Loyale 2.7 Turbo

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Posted 02 August 2009 - 04:17 AM

Come on Friends... I Know that Some of you Must know which other Subaru`s brakes will fit my Loyale`s Knuckles, Beside the XT6, `cos those seems like are impossible to Find Here.

Maybe Early Impreza`s Ones? ... Which Year / Model \ Mods Needed?

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Posted 02 August 2009 - 04:20 AM

I can tell you for a fact that no EJ-series subaru front caliper bracket will bolt to your knuckle.

you *might* find a newer EJ caliper that will bolt to the EA caliper bracket.

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Posted 02 August 2009 - 04:27 AM

Thanx for your Kind Answer! ... That Sounds Great but How Could I Swap Calipers from EJ Series to the EA Series Bracklet? ... Does Anybody have Experience in Such Situation? ... Pictures of That will be Great!

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Posted 02 August 2009 - 09:03 AM

I think you should ask Zap or Scooby to see if they can fit a 2.5RS front caliper on an EA82 caliper bracket. They work at Aaron's Auto Wrecking in Seattle; Aaron's is an all-Subaru wrecking yard.
If you're familiar with how to change brake pads - remove the lower retaining bolt from the caliper assembly so that the caliper can pivot on the upper pin (not to be confused with the mounting bolts that attach the caliper bracket to the knuckle) then all you have to do to completely separate the caliper from its bracket is to unbolt the pivot pin from the back of the caliper just like the retaining bolt.

I would be worried about the diameter of the rotor being compatible with the stock location of the EA82 caliper, though. It might be possible to "improve" the front brakes too much so that they lock up easier... for instance, if the stock rotor is too small.

I'd suggest that you either do a 5-lug swap and keep all of the brake parts original to each other, or that you buy the best pads and rotors that you can for the EA82 and invest in great tires - the tires are often overlooked when people go to upgrade the brakes.

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Posted 02 August 2009 - 08:07 PM

Thank you So Much for that Great Advice!

I think you should ask Zap or Scooby to see if they can fit a 2.5RS front caliper on an EA82 caliper bracket. ...


I Believe that it is a very Good Idea, so if one of them can Build an "Ready to Fit" Newer Subie Calipers on the EA82 Bracklets Will be Great! ... I Will send `em the Cost of those plus Shippin` and Handlin` ... I Believe that Even Loosing the Front e-Brakes system, my Subie will be Safer and with less Parts that can Fail, Because the Front e-brakes are Not Good Idea in the Real World, they Don`t help much, Specially in my very Mountany & Crazy Country... That`s why I Always Park my Subie with the Tires Facing the Sidewalk.

Also I Believe that there should not be too much Difference Between the Diameter size of the EA82 Rotors to the -in example- impreza or Legacy ones... I am not Sure but I Believe that my Subie can Handle a Little Difference...

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Posted 03 August 2009 - 06:32 PM

You should also look into the rear e-brake idea... someone made it fit with Nissan parts, I think.. happy searching!

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Posted 14 September 2009 - 12:25 AM

Hi!, after solving some problems, I`m Back Again!!!

So, about this Great Idea:

...you *might* find a newer EJ caliper that will bolt to the EA caliper bracket.


...is there Anyone who can Help me to Make that?

I am Still Drivin` my "Everyday Warrior" Subie with "Sponge" Feelin` on the Brake Pedal and the e-Brake Wires unhooked...

So I Really Need New EJ Calipers (`cos they come Without the Pathetic Front e-Brake System) Already fitted on EA82`s Caliper Bracklets, Please let me Know if Anyone of you, could Made them for Me and How much could that Pair Cost.

Thank you So Much, Kind Regards.
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Posted 08 October 2009 - 12:37 AM

Today, Something Weird Happened to Me: I Was Drivin` my Subie Warrior in a Highway at average Speed While Slow Rain was Fallin`... After some Kilometers of Cruisin` back to my Home, Something did make the Drivers in the Cars that were in Front of mine, to Stop Abruptly...

My Subie`s Brake Pedal Went Straight to the Floor Without Enough Hold to Safely Stop... but it Did Stoped the Car at around ten inches of the Car that was in Front of Mine...

The Weird Thing was Not the Weak Brakes... The Weird Thing is That I Didn`t Notice that the Big Car that was Runnin` in Front of Mine Was a Subaru ... :eek: ... Untill I Saw the Pleiades` Stars Logo! :banghead:

It Was a Beautiful Subaru Tribeca, Champagne Colour... Nice but it Looked so Unsubaru for my Subaru Instincts...

So, if there is Anyone Who can Safely Attach to the EA Front Brake Bracklets, EJ Brake Calipers; I Will Be More than Happy to Buy Them...

Thank You, Kind Regards.

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Posted 08 October 2009 - 12:44 AM

it is really easy to rebuild the calipers.and clean them up nice to work very good for you. you can get the rebuild kits from any major parts store.cheers, brian

i have confidence in the fact that you can make them like new, i have done so many times.all you have to do is pay attention to how you take them apart,i bet even a haynes manual would show you.

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Posted 08 October 2009 - 01:00 AM

Thank you for your Kind Words!

Yes, I have Rebuilt Those Front Brakes several Times Since long years Ago, but the Problem is the Wear in the e-Brake System Parts, Just Behind the Calipers where the Special Screw Goes...

I Changed Pistons and their Seals, but the Problem is that when I Pull the e-Brake Handle: The Small O-Ring get Moved -and sometimes even cutted- Makin` Very Dangerous Brake Fluid Leak from Behind and to Loose Pressure in the Whole System...

I Just Got Tired from that Weak Front e-Brake System and I Want to get Rid of it.

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Posted 08 October 2009 - 11:06 AM

A simpler, cheaper option might be to get new (to you) EA82 calipers, that don't have the totally worn E-brake parts. Get the rest of the e-brake parts at the same time. Rebuild it all, back to near-new condition. The alternative, getting 5 lug parts from an Impreza, would require lots more new (to you) parts, and more work to install.

Other than not being able to do handbrake turns, I love the front e-brake. It is the only E-brake I have ever seen that would actually stop the car. When functioning properly, it really is an emergency brake, not just a handbrake good enough to keep the car from rolling away on a slight hill.

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Posted 26 October 2009 - 03:15 AM

Thanx for your Kind Suggestion...

First I will Try to get the "EJ Calipers in EA Bracklets" for my Subie, but if I Can't, Then I'll have no choice but to Rebuild the Old ones with New Parts... Again...

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Posted 26 October 2009 - 03:17 AM

Well... Time Passes By and seems like Nobody wants to Make that work for me...

so as Suggested:

I think you should ask Zap or Scooby to see if they can fit a 2.5RS front caliper on an EA82 caliper bracket. ...


I'll send a Couple of Mails... Because here is not Easy to Find that Parts in a Junk Yard, That's Why I am Asking if anyone could make that and then Send those to me, I'll Send the Money (I hope that won't be too Expensive)

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Posted 26 October 2009 - 05:29 AM

If you decide to replace the calipers with kown good ones, I have two sets of EA calipers that I can send you. Both are off good cars, one was in an accident and the other was parted out due to engine troubles.

Let me know if htis is appealing to you. This way you will have good ebrakes too.

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Posted 31 October 2009 - 01:56 AM

Thank you, You're So Kind!

I will Try First to Obtain the EJ Calipers Fitted on the EA Bracklets, Because after So Many Times Almost since the Subie was New (1985) of repair that e-brakes without Satisfactory Results, and considering their recent fail... I "Feel" that Loosing the e-brakes as some sort of "Upgrade" ... So I Want to get Rid of that System, I Like Things Simple.

But if I Can Not Obtain that EJ Calipers on EA Bracklets Soon, I am Sure that I must Fix those EA Calipers... Again; so I am Really Thankful with your Kind Offer; if I Need them I will contact you; Thank you.

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Posted 11 August 2010 - 01:00 AM

Well... almost a Year have Passed by and I Still need the...

...EJ Calipers Fitted on the EA Bracklets...


...for my Loyale Wagon's Front Brakes.

I Sent a Couple of Private Messages but Seems like my Friends are too Busy...

Could it be a Chance to Obtain that or is it Impossible?

... :confused: ...

Well, "Subaru" and "Impossible" are two Words that are Hardly in the Same Sentence, So I Still Keep my Hopes Alive...

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 02:23 PM

Well... almost a Year have Passed by and I Still need the...



...for my Loyale Wagon's Front Brakes.

I Sent a Couple of Private Messages but Seems like my Friends are too Busy...

Could it be a Chance to Obtain that or is it Impossible?

... :confused: ...

Well, "Subaru" and "Impossible" are two Words that are Hardly in the Same Sentence, So I Still Keep my Hopes Alive...

Kind Regards.


I only have EA81 brackets, so I wouldn't want to test-fit them and lead you astray with my results.

Bump for someone to help this USMB contributor. Someone must have some calipers lying around.

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Posted 13 August 2010 - 04:53 AM

I have heard that Nissan Silvia rear calipers are a direct swap for EA front calipers. Keep in mind they retain the E-brake system but they are much newer design than the EA system.

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Posted 15 August 2010 - 02:01 AM

I Know the Nissan Silvia from some Japanese Magazines I Have, but here it was not available, Could it Share some of its Parts with other Nissan Models? ... Being more Direct: do you know Wich Nissan Model came with the Same Silvia's Brakes? ...

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Posted 15 August 2010 - 06:08 PM

Im not sure about fitting other front calipers to your ea82 brackets, but front disc brake cars here are everywhere, and wrecker pricing can be as low as 15 to 20.00 each. You could easily import good used fronts inexpensivley. If your dead set on convertoing to rear pb set up there is an excellent thread on what donor calipers to come up with and you can mix parts with your rear disc calipers.

http://www.ultimates...ead.php?t=63647

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Posted 20 October 2010 - 02:27 PM

Thank you Mark, You're So Kind; but that Thread was pointed about the Rear Brakes and my Problem are with the Front Brakes... So I Still need a Solution.

I Need Somehow a Replacement for my Subie's Front Calipers... I Started this Thread Thinkin' that Maybe Here, some of our USMB Friends could Build a set of EJ Calipers Mounted in EA Bracklets; but After all this Time and PM's Sent Without any Response... :( ...I Must Change the idea.

So, Now I Drive my Subie Without the e-Brake Lines Attached, I Tied the e-Brake Arms in order to avoid 'em to Move, So the Car Doesn't have any e-Brake but that is the Only Way how I can Avoid the Old Problem, While I Could Find a Permanent Fix.

(The Old Problem is Simple: Each Time I Pulled the e-Brake Handle, the O-Ring on the Caliper's Back, Which Belong to the e-Brake System; Worns itself Letting go the Brake Fluid).

Now I wonder if I Send those Old Calipers to a Machine Shop in order to Close the Caliper's Back and Remove all the e-brake System Stuff... Do you Believe that it Could Work?

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Posted 20 October 2010 - 02:40 PM

Thank you Mark, You're So Kind; but that Thread was pointed about the Rear Brakes and my Problem are with the Front Brakes... So I Still need a Solution.

I Need Somehow a Replacement for my Subie's Front Calipers... I Started this Thread Thinkin' that Maybe Here, some of our USMB Friends could Build a set of EJ Calipers Mounted in EA Bracklets; but After all this Time and PM's Sent Without any Response... :( ...I Must Change the idea.

So, Now I Drive my Subie Without the e-Brake Lines Attached, I Tied the e-Brake Arms in order to avoid 'em to Move, So the Car Doesn't have any e-Brake but that is the Only Way how I can Avoid the Old Problem, While I Could Find a Permanent Fix.

(The Old Problem is Simple: Each Time I Pulled the e-Brake Handle, the O-Ring on the Caliper's Back, Which Belong to the e-Brake System; Worns itself Letting go the Brake Fluid).

Now I wonder if I Send those Old Calipers to a Machine Shop in order to Close the Caliper's Back and Remove all the e-brake System Stuff... Do you Believe that it Could Work?

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It's beyond my skill to mount newer calipers to EA brackets, so the only thing I can contribute is to mention that rockauto.com has calipers for about $30 USD each. Do you think that new calipers and disconnecting the e-brake would fix your fluid draining problem?

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Posted 20 October 2010 - 03:52 PM

Well... I Hope So, but Seems like Just Disconnecting the e-Brake Stuff is not a Long Term Fix... and Remove the e-Brake Stuff from the Calipers seems to be Complicated due to its Relation with the Caliper's Piston.

Have Anyone Tried Successfully that Before?

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Posted 20 October 2010 - 08:03 PM

So you want to find a set of calipers that bolt to the 4 lug EA82 caliper bracket and use the 4 lug EA82 pads but don't have E-brake mechanisms, correct?

I belive 89-94 legacys have the same distance between the caliper slides that the EA's have. So that would give you a caliper without E-brake that would bolt onto the EA bracket and pads.

I have 4 lug EA knuckles, 5 lug EA xt6 knuckels, and 1st gen legacy knuckles down at my shed. If you want I can mix and match parts and see what fits for you.

As for the front E-brake being the source of your troubles, I have multiple EA82 cars with 150k+ miles on them with the origional non-leaking calipers. I don't think you're doomed to leaks if you have front e-brakes, I think your calipers are junk and you'd be better off with a fresh set.




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