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#1 spikedbeetle

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Posted 13 September 2009 - 08:47 AM

I can almost start it again! Just a few wires to solder and few bolts. Hopefuly this week.:banana:

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Posted 15 September 2009 - 01:04 PM

That's freakin awesome! As a VW guy myself, I'm always interested in VW/Subaru combos. I would love to see more pics and info on this, especially the dual carb/intake setup. Jesse

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Posted 15 September 2009 - 06:30 PM

SWEEET! That looks really clean like it BELONGS in there!

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Posted 15 September 2009 - 06:32 PM

Here are the intake manifold about half way done. If you are going to try this, have someone cut your flanges. A dremmel tool takes way too long. I port matched everything before I assembled and welded.

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If you have any specific pictures you would like, I will try to take and post them.

I myself am very excited and anxious to find out if the dual carb setup will be any more powerful or not. If it is, I could make kits for subaru aplications. It looks like it should all fit in a suby too.

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Posted 15 September 2009 - 06:34 PM

Hey - what'd you do for the cooling?

Kennedy adapter for the trans?

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Posted 15 September 2009 - 08:45 PM

Thanks for the positive responses.

You can see the radiator in the first pictures hiding in front of the engine. Here are a couple more shots of the radiator. I used an aluminum radiator for a jeep chrokee and had the outlet moved and resized. I think it was 11" tall and 36" wide. I raised the luggage compartment area behind the rear seat about 5-6 inches to have a place to put the radiator above the tranny. I wanted to make the diehard VW guys scratch their heads. Which is why I used VW parts on the engine. These carbs are supposedly good to handle up to 100 hp. I took them off of my old VW motor as well as the generator and generator stand. I made a small adapter to bolt the vw stand on. one of the holes actually lined up perfectly with the hole in the block that was used to hold the bracket for the suby alternator.

Yes, a Kennedy adapter for the trans.

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Posted 15 September 2009 - 10:27 PM

thats pretty sweet, I like that! The dual carb setup is awesome! Slick lookin bug too, Id like to see more pics of that!

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Posted 16 September 2009 - 10:13 PM

I tried starting it tonight, but the battery is dead and I am not 100% sure where the black and yellow wires on the side of the distributor go.

I have the black hoked up to the neg. side of the coil. The yellow I think is supposed to go to the pos. run position somewhere. I have it hooked directly to the pos. side of the coil right now just for testing.

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Posted 16 September 2009 - 10:25 PM

That is some sweet fab work. The gears in my head are spinning a bit.:banana:

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Posted 16 September 2009 - 11:33 PM

Absolutely love it. I'm rather interested in, some day, going to that sort of dual carb setup.

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Posted 17 September 2009 - 12:15 PM

Okay here is a question. My lights are all still bright. I tried turning my engine over this morning. It turned over fine the first time then did the same thing where it seemed to lock up and only do a partial turn.

Could this be due to the hydraulic lifters not having oil in them yet?

Should I turn the engine over for a while with no spark plugs to give the lifters time to fil up?

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Posted 17 September 2009 - 09:50 PM

I tried starting it again today. No spark. The wiring diagram I have for the subaru says my positive wire should go through the ignition module. I thought that was just a run position of the ignition switch. Is the module something else? Do I have to get one for the engine to run?

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Posted 19 September 2009 - 01:06 PM

I tried starting it again today. No spark. The wiring diagram I have for the subaru says my positive wire should go through the ignition module. I thought that was just a run position of the ignition switch. Is the module something else? Do I have to get one for the engine to run?


ok, there are a couple of things you need to do, =->

- make sure the disty is electronic; i.e. no points....then :

#1- re-route your wiring (regardless of mfg.) so the run position switch goes to the coil (+) ...take the Yellow wire from the disty ,land it on the same coil post (+). Land the black wire from the disty to the (-) post on the coil.Do not ground the (-) post from the coil! So go on and hit the key! If it still wont spark, then :
#2- identify the distributor mfg.(Nippondenso or Hitachi) ? Most models have an INTERNAL module....I've been told the exceptions are the '80 Hitachi, and the '80-'82 ND... you said 1 yellow, 1 black feed the disty, so that narrows it some, and I can see the advance has a single diaphram, that narrows it further...it's hard to describe the differences between the ND and the Hitachi. But yours looks like the Hitachi to me :banana:
Go ahead and open up the disty,peek inside... if the advance weights have a spring-inside-a-spring setup , it's certainly a Hitachi...if the springs are single affairs, its a ND.
You'll need to know this in order to get the right module/pick-up coil for your distributor, if everything else checks out....

Sure hope this helps, your Beetle looks amazing ! Keep us posted with your progress!
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Posted 19 September 2009 - 05:08 PM

I believe the one in the car is ND. I also belive I have a hitachi on the shelf. Both seem to have the same problem.

I checked my wiring. I have the black-to-neg. Yel-to-pos. Still no spark.

I checked 2 coils and 3 coil wires. and no spark. This leads me to think the problem is in the dist. The ND was supposedly remanufactued and the car I got it from had less than 100 mi. on this dist. :mad:

I really don't want to spend any more on this project.

Where would be the best place to get a pick up coil or new dist?

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Posted 19 September 2009 - 07:38 PM

Wow , nice fabrication work ! I hope this isn't too stupid of a question ....but ....you can make a subaru engine run backwards ? Or am i missing something here ?

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Posted 19 September 2009 - 10:35 PM

Thanks for the comments.

To answer your question; The VW engine runs the same direction as the Subarus. The gears in the tranny are just opposite from a subaru. It makes a simple swap.

I JUST GOT SPARK! I was getting different responses regarding where the black and yellow wires were to go. I was getting no spark the way it was, so I figured if it's ruined already, why not try it the other way just to see what happens. I got Spark! I had my wife crank it over a couple of times. It popped like it was going to start! I decided since there is no muffler on it at this point to call it a night since it was 10:30pm and the neighbors have two week old twins. Tomorrow being sunday, I don't know if I will start it up or not. But Monday for sure.

Edited by spikedbeetle, 19 September 2009 - 11:43 PM.
I got spark!


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Posted 20 September 2009 - 04:30 AM

Thats a nice set up there :)
I had thought of doing a similar twin carb set up for my flat twin prewar car.

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Posted 20 September 2009 - 11:44 AM

That makes sense , thanks for clearing that up - nice self-control not fireing it up at 10:30 pm , i'm not sure if i could have waited ! I am getting older and a little wiser , i probabley wouldn't have gotten any sleep though . Good luck , your getting closer !

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Posted 20 September 2009 - 07:52 PM

And now begins the fine tuning process. But it runs! :banana:

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Posted 21 September 2009 - 06:08 AM

Excellent Progress.

Lookin' good.

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Posted 21 September 2009 - 06:22 PM

Thanks for the video , moveing right along . Sounds cool ,nice exhaust work !

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Posted 21 September 2009 - 09:01 PM

Thanks.

I think it's cool sound is mostly because it may only be running on a couple of cylinders. I think I may have some of the wires mixed up. The whole engine in the wrong end facing the other direction is messing me up. Or I may have the distributor 180 out. How do I know that one?

I drove around the block, but all I could do was idle it. As soon I stepped on the pedal it would bog. I think I may need a better fuel pump.

I also found a couple leaks under pressure That I should be able to fix fairly easily.

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Posted 21 September 2009 - 09:10 PM

Very cool.

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Posted 21 September 2009 - 09:49 PM

Well, I got the tdc thing figured out I think. At least it isn't 180 out. Do I time it at idle to the notch in the pulley?

I am pretty sure I had the plux wires out of order. I will see once my battery is charged enough to fire it up again.

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Posted 22 September 2009 - 09:13 PM

Well, It runs a lot smoother with the plug wires going to the correct plugs. :-\

I still think I have a fuel delivery issue. I will remove my regulator and pressure gauge to see if that will clear any blockage if that is even the issue.

I thought I was almost done. I think I am just getting started. :banghead:

Once I get it running half way decent, I will have to tear it down and fix the couple of leaks, get it all done up nice and put it back together again.




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