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  1. Hi, and thx for the help.

     

    When i mentioned power on both sides of one of the dashlight bulb pigtails, same on both cars, except on the car I'm trying to fix, the one side doesn't lose power as you turn up the dashlights as it does on the car that works...

    I got that. :)

     

     

    I meant with the bulb out, there's power (12V) to both sides of the "bulb", there's power to both sides of the pigtail, so nothing to do with a filament transfering power. One would be hard pressed to check for power with a bulb in, especially with the ultra dinky "Green" bulbs behind the heater controls...

    So you pulled out all of the illumination "bulbs"? There are quite a few of them, and doing that would be fairly time consuming. If you didn't remove all of them, since they're in parallel, even one left in place would conduct so that it would appear that there was power applied to both leads when the "low" side wasn't being pulled towards ground.

     

     

    Not to sound too smart, and I'm always relearning something (early Alzheimers?), but I'm pretty well versed in electrical repair, Ohm's Law, etc...

     

    I graduated from an Automotive Technology program in 1990 (back when they actually taught starter and alternator rebuilding), followed up by another degree in Diesel/Heavy Equipment Repair. I worked in the field as a technician, for nearly 15 years before leaving the city for good and moving out to the country, where I work on a farm, and troubleshoot/diagnose electrical stuff all the time. I actually consider myself to be way above average when it comes to understanding (the first and most important step in repairing) electrical problems.

    I'm sorry if you found my suggestion that you read up on Ohm's Law impertinent. It was made to be helpful to someone who appeared to not be well versed about it.

     

    I'm certainly not going to get into a "credentials" contest with you -- I've purposely avoided ever posting mine, and it's not because they'd look inadequate.

     

     

    When I went to school back in '88, the instructors told us "If you're flush, get a Fluke meter", they were made in Everett WA back then, not China... I still have that original Fluke 23. In fact I like the so much I have three of them, as well as an extensive set of electrical troubleshooting tools, 2 Snap On test lights, lots of leads, Weller Butane powered soldering gun. I solder/heatshrink all my connections/repairs, if I can humanly help it.

    It seems you're equipped to handle the job at hand.

     

     

    So anyway, back to the car, I am leaning towards the module now, even though I don't like to get parts unless I'm 100% sure that it needs it. I can probably get it from a junk yard, and hope that it's not defective.

     

    In the meantime I'll get back to the car today, after we do the snow tires on the wife's car, and other stuff.

    You could be a lot closer to 100% certainty if you posted the result of the measurements I suggested, but it's certainly easier to try swapping out the module.

     

     

    Here's a post from last fall on the net where someone's Legacy was suffering from what I guess was the very same problem, the answers given weren't too bright...

     

    http://rspauto.com/answers/the-dash-lights-on-my-1993-subaru-legacy-dont-work-and-i-cant-figure-out-why-what-can-be-the-causes/#comment-135564

    They were just trying to help, as I am. The difference is, I'm apparently slightly more knowledgable. :rolleyes:

  2. [...]So, which is the best advice? The advice from the people who designed the spec, and whose fluid the Subie tranny was originally designed for? Or Subaru, who wants you to use a new fluid for a new tranny with very slightly different shift qualities? Or, should you stick with something that says Dex-III but is likely no longer the same fluid as it was when it was a licensed product?[...]

    Good (assumedly rhetorical :)) questions. Unfortunately, I suspect the lack of industry "reponse" is a means of ducking "responsibility". Since the issue doesn't affect current production vehicles, if anyone chooses the "wrong" ATF for an older car and has a trans problem related to that choice, there's really no accountability. "Sorry, but our fluid meets specifications, your transmission failed due to its age/mileage."

  3. Welcome to the forum.

     

    [...]The dimmer module?

    Perhaps

     

     

    After finally tearing into my wife's Impreza to see how a properly working system works, this is what I found. All of the dash/shifter, etc, lights have power on both sides of the bulb pigtails. This is really weird, both power, no ground.

    That's not weird at all. Power is applied to one side of all of the lamps. If the other side isn't grounded, you'll read approximately the same voltage there, since there's minimal voltage drop across the filaments if little current is drawn by the voltmeter. (Decent modern voltmeters have a very high input resistance.) If you want to better understand this, Google "Ohm's Law".

     

     

    When you turn up the dashlights at the switch, one of the bulb terminals dims (loses power), and I suppose becomes more and more grounded?

    Yes, effectively.

     

     

    On my car, the '95 wagon, I have power to both sides of the bulbs, but it stays the same no matter what you do to the dimmer switch (acts exactly the same with a different turn signal arm plugged into the wiring harness), therefore no dashlights as you can't light a bulb with 12V on each side of it.

     

    Is this the dimmer module no working? I suppose it could be, although the guy at the dealership told me that the part is $100 and he's never sold one, but a few turn signal arms.

    The dimmer modules (Subaru calls them "Illumination Control Unit", or "Illumi Con Unit") do sometimes fail, especially if someone ties into the dimmer line incorrectly, as when improperly installing an aftermarket radio. However, there can certainly be other circuit faults that can have the same effect.

     

     

    I really need to get this fixed so I can drive the car and get on with other things I need to do.

     

    Really appreciate some help here.

     

    Thx!!!

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    You could just try replacing the module, if the cost (new or used) isn't too much of an issue. On the other hand, if you'd like help with properly diagnosing the problem, here's what you could do:

     

    1) Find the Illumi Con Unit (dimmer module)

    2) Connect the neg lead of your voltmeter to a good chassis ground

    3) Back-probe each of the pins at the module connector, and make note of the voltage, with the stalk control turned fully up and fully down. Note the connector pin numbers, wire colors (including stripe), etc.

    4) Let us know what you get in step #3 :)

  4. I understand, but on the other hand, there's no such thing as Dexron III any more, so you aren't able to do that. To compound things, a great many of the formerly-licensed Dexron III fluids changed their formulations once the Dex III program was shut down.[...]

    My post in this thread concerning Dexron-VI was in reply to 2001outbackwag. It was sort of a continuation of the thread he previously posted, where his question would probably have been more on topic. See:

    http://www.ultimatesubaru.org/forum/showthread.php?t=117922

    You'll notice that I'm well aware of Dexron licensing and related issues. I suggested sticking to "III" (meaning MD-3, DM-3, or whatever is equivalent) as opposed to Dexron-VI, which may not be a good choice.

  5. I'm new to the board and have a problem I hope some of the experienced Subaru people here can help me track down.

    Welcome to the forum.

     

    The ABS warning light is controlled by the ABS ECU. The AT Oil Temp warning light is controlled by the TCU. Both of those control units can misbehave if the voltage supply drops sufficiently. Your Subaru specialist might be on the right track.

     

    Loss of alternator field current on Subarus typically causes the battery and brake warning lights to illuminate, but their not coming on doesn't guarantee that there isn't a battery or charging system problem.

     

    One thing you could try, to see if you can 'provoke' the problem, is to heavily load the electrical system. That can be done by simultaneously turning on several things that draw substantial current -- headlight high beams, rear defogger, heated seats (if you have them), etc.

     

    By the way, was it unusually cold last night in WA? (I've heard that the weather there has been a bit strange lately.) Marginal electrical connections can become worse due to contraction of metal contacts with cold.

  6. I am seeing allot of information concenring Dexron III has been replaced by Dexron VI. Is this ok to use in Subaru tarnsmissions that specify Dexron II or III?

    Citgo says, in the "APPLICATIONS" section of http://www.docs.citgo.com/msds_pi/10165.pdf :

    "DEXRON-VI is not suitable for use in non-GM vehicles which called for DEXRON-II or DEXRON-III type fluids."

     

    Although other Dexron-VI suppliers don't agree, I'd stick with III to be safe.

  7. Google "alloy wheel cleaner" (without the quotes).

     

    No cleaner is going to fix the corrosion near the hub and bead area, which is usually due to road salt. The rims could be stripped, wire brushed and/or sanded where needed, and re-clear-coated. Google "wheel clear coat".

     

    However, you might first want to verify that the bead area isn't so corroded that the wheels don't hold air. Since it appears that tires are mounted, I'd suggest inflating, waiting a few days, and rechecking the pressure (at about the same temperature). If leaking, you can mount tires using sealant if the surface isn't too rough/porous, but if bad enough even that won't help, and you'll be constantly refilling the tires.

     

    If the wheels hold air, and you don't care if the wheel finish looks uniform, you could do spot repair of the corroded areas.

  8. i dont recall it clunking much if im just sitting still shifting through with my foot on the brake... but i feel like that was just circumstantial and i will try again...

    If it doesn't do it at idle speed, try again with left foot firmly on brake, right on accelerator, holding the engine revs a bit higher ("fast idle", about 1200 RPM). Doing that, there might be a bit of shift shock, but it shouldn't clunk if nothing's loose.

  9. [...] I see the owners manual says to use either Dexron II or III. I was wondering what the difference was or which one is preffered by Subaru owners.

    Neither Dexron II nor III is licensed anymore by GM. The currently available equivalent for Dexron-III/Mercon is usually sold as MD-3 (or sometimes DM-3).

     

    EDIT: You might find this older thread interesting:

    http://www.ultimatesubaru.org/forum/showthread.php?t=84146

  10. link??

    Yes, John, see post #6 of this thread and the link to the NASIOC thread at the end (see post #40 of that thread). It shows where to find the connector (for a particular arrangement), how to read the codes, and what they mean.

     

     

    Well speak up louder ;) , whole point of this thread was the make it simple, you just keep refering to a pdf file.

    I'm sure bstone was well-intentioned in trying to "make it simple", but sometimes that leaves out important info. The pages shown in the NASIOC thread has step-by-step instructions, and complete info.

     

     

    And yes so far this thread is all wrong, plug location and how to pull codes.
    Subaru has moved the location of the diagnosis connector a few times, and admittedly even the factory manual can be wrong in that respect. Once you find the connector, the rest of the factory info can be applied, and it's pretty straightforward.

     

     

    only ground pin 6,
    Yes, that's correct to retrieve the ABS code(s).

     

     

    I get code 27 rear left ABS sensor, but no auto part site list it, I hope its not dealer $$$ only parts???

    You left out part of what code 27 signifies. Yes, it refers to the rear left ABS sensor, but also importantly "Abnormal ABS sensor (Open circuit or input voltage too high)". That means either the sensor itself is electrically bad, or there's a bad connection to it, somewhere between it and the ABS ECU.

     

    The suggestions to clean the sensor or tone ring could be useful if the problem was a bad signal (code 28), but not in this case.

     

    If you know how to use an ohmmeter, or have a friend who does, you could do some further checking. Otherwise, replacing the sensor is probably the way to go. Being in NW Ohio, you may find it difficult to remove the original sensor, due to rust.

  11. Thanks for posting the pictures. It does appear that the fit is the same, at least for the particular manufacturers. Since some companies apparently claim differences other than longevity, and some forum members have reported such differences, it begs the question as to why. The Cloyes belts apparently fit well in your application, so for them it seems either the 304 or 307 is acceptable.

  12. See my post #8 in:

    http://www.ultimatesubaru.org/forum/showthread.php?t=117581

     

    If they haven't been used before, the connector and probes might just look like a lump on the harness.

    They don't really come as loose as in the illustration, either.

     

    EDIT: The diagnosis connector is usually near the two green test connectors, which typically are hanging loose -- see if you can find them first.

    For alternative location of the connector, see post #40 of:

    http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=192583&highlight=abs+light&page=2

  13. [...]I’ll also look at rechecking the “fuel pressure” with the new FPR as well as the vacuum. Is there any other way of checking the return line other than what I did (blowing air at the FPR and listening at the fill pipe for the gas tank)?[...]

    If the fuel pressure is okay (checked in the manner previously described), then the return line is fine. If the pressure is too high with the new FPR, then the line is likely at least partially obstructed. (Obviously, if air passed through the line to the tank, it couldn't be completely blocked.) Physical inspection might reveal damage.

     

     

    Another thing mentioned in Post # 198 was “valve adjustments”, I’m not aware that the car has had any and like I mentioned in the beginning is that we bought this car brand new in 2000. I have to admit I’m not familiar with this and do not know what is involved with valve adjustments.

    Unfortunately, it's probably not something you'd be inclined to do yourself. To see what's involved, look at the FSM section "Engine", file "valve clearance.pdf". Before the 2003 models, Subaru specified a 105,000 mile interval for checking/adjusting the valves on engines with mechanical lifters (hydraulic lash adjusters, or HLAs, don't require adjustment).

     

    You might find these interesting:

    http://www.mastertechmag.com/mtwp/2009/April/image/pdf/IS_200904_subarutrainvalve.pdf

    --or--

    http://www.furi-dorifto.com/tech/Subaru_dox/Valve07MayEW.pdf

  14. The 2003 Legacy has a pressure sensor, and more importantly, a combination MAF/IAT sensor. Proper functioning of any MAF is dependent on air flow past it being relatively smooth. The factory intake is designed to accomplish that. By replacing it with something else, at various engine speeds you'll likely encounter resonance/turbulance/pulsation that will upset the MAF's ability to properly read the air flow. Even if you manage to gain something with your modification, there's a good chance that there will be a performance and/or drivability issue of some sort in exchange.

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