mellow65 Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 hey bill i'm curious if you ever got a manual starter so you could bolt it in there and make sure it's all happy with the flywheel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill hincher Posted February 26, 2011 Author Share Posted February 26, 2011 hey bill i'm curious if you ever got a manual starter so you could bolt it in there and make sure it's all happy with the flywheel. no I didnt, i just havent had time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill hincher Posted February 27, 2011 Author Share Posted February 27, 2011 (edited) Edited March 2, 2011 by bill hincher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill hincher Posted February 27, 2011 Author Share Posted February 27, 2011 went to detriot auto show today and run into an old girl friend, it was okayyyyy but then she just wanted to hang out and it got kinda herd to get rid of her Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monstaru Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 i like your style.......:)cheers, b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill hincher Posted March 2, 2011 Author Share Posted March 2, 2011 (edited) I will be doing some adjustments but its done and it works fine, smooth as silk Edited March 3, 2011 by bill hincher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill hincher Posted March 2, 2011 Author Share Posted March 2, 2011 what starter should I use? what year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellow65 Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 what starter should I use? what year? anything from 90 to early 2000s are the same. just needs to be from a manual. even just looked one up and they claim all the way up to 06. man i love subaru. also bill I didn't know if i should say anything because i don't want to be a whiner or something, but didn't you say you were going to make these double duty for the hefty trannys too? if that's out of the question now that's totally fine, i just was wondering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill hincher Posted March 2, 2011 Author Share Posted March 2, 2011 anything from 90 to early 2000s are the same. just needs to be from a manual. even just looked one up and they claim all the way up to 06. man i love subaru. also bill I didn't know if i should say anything because i don't want to be a whiner or something, but didn't you say you were going to make these double duty for the hefty trannys too? if that's out of the question now that's totally fine, i just was wondering. yeah, thats why the facing on the back of the bellhousing is so wide, it fits 4 transmissions, the W series 4WD and 2WD and the pre 97 short shaft R seies from the V 6 truck , both 4wd and 2 wd want me to rebuild it? I could add the allison hydro out of the mack desiels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellow65 Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 yeah, thats why the facing on the back of the bellhousing is so wide, it fits 4 transmissions, the W series 4WD and 2WD and the pre 97 short shaft R seies from the V 6 truck , both 4wd and 2 wd want me to rebuild it? I could add the allison hydro out of the mack desiels lol no need to rebuild anything bill, i guess i didn't know they used the same bolt holes. i thought in some other pics i saw 2 sets of bolt holes. will your idea of putting a plate between the bell housing and the newer long shaft R trannys still work? but hmmmm, them allisons had like a pto out put, imagine all the wonderful things i could run with a pto. and really bill even if it just did the W 99% of us would be happy as all get out. so really thanks again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill hincher Posted March 2, 2011 Author Share Posted March 2, 2011 (edited) from what information I have gathered, the W series Toyota 5 speed ( W 55-59 non turbo) is the same input length at the pre '96 R 151 and 150 which was built for the v6 truck and 22re turbo engines in 4wd and 2 wd then after '96 R 151 and 150 was built for the V-6 truck but an inch was added to the input shaft length so here is the deal w-55-59 and pre 96 r 151 and r 150 = 6.5 inch input shaft r 154 Toyota Supra turbo trans = 7.25 in input shaft after 96 r 151 and r 150 V-6 Toyota trans = 7.50 input shaft so I should be able to build my W 55 bellhousing to accept the pre' 96 R 151 and r 150 now the only problem is, it has to be drilled for one or the other, because some of the trans facing holes are very close to each other Edited March 2, 2011 by bill hincher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellow65 Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 from what information I have gathered, the W series Toyota 5 speed ( W 55-59 non turbo) is the same input length at the pre '96 R 151 and 150 which was built for the v6 truck and 22re turbo engines in 4wd and 2 wd then after '96 R 151 and 150 was built for the V-6 truck but an inch was added to the input shaft length so here is the deal w-55-59 and pre 96 r 151 and r 150 = 6.5 inch input shaft r 154 Toyota Supra turbo trans = 7.25 in input shaft after 96 r 151 and r 150 V-6 Toyota trans = 7.50 input shaft so I should be able to build my W 55 bellhousing to accept the pre' 96 R 151 and r 150 now the only problem is, it has to be drilled for one or the other, because some of the trans facing holes are very close to each other no worries, just plug away as is, a W will work for me and most anyone else, i can't see ever needing something else in the fly weight car it's going in. and i read those Ws are good for a 350hp, WAY more then most us poor folks are going to ever be making. now i'll stop making noise so i can get back to the books so i can someday afford to really play with my cars like i want to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill hincher Posted March 2, 2011 Author Share Posted March 2, 2011 be broke, be happy, I dont recomend getting rid of the books and advocating sex and drugs, but hey, it works for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill hincher Posted March 3, 2011 Author Share Posted March 3, 2011 (edited) lets have some fun >;o) one of your fearless members asked me about a bellhousing to mate the sub engine to a purely rwd unit, preferably the toyota w series transmission, i thought it was a neet idea nothin to it >;o0 Edited March 3, 2011 by bill hincher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellow65 Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 ^^^^^^oh no i think bills lost it, he's decided to start over ^^^^^^ :lol::lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twitch de la Brat Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 Bill, you have no idea how much of my hero you are. I can only dream of having the skill and talent you have. Twitch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill hincher Posted March 3, 2011 Author Share Posted March 3, 2011 Bill, you have no idea how much of my hero you are.I can only dream of having the skill and talent you have. Twitch It was a forced situation, i was turned down for a job at the post office because I couldnt get a concealed weapons permit, so I built bellhousings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill hincher Posted March 11, 2011 Author Share Posted March 11, 2011 I ordered a sub starter from a 95 Legacy, its supposed to be a manual trans starter, can anybody verify the diamter of the starter locater? I dissasembled everything and tested the starter location, Its all good I wonder if they dregged the lake to find this part????????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellow65 Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 there is a pretty huge difference between an auto and manual starter, the auto one wouldn't even come close to working. they have the ring gear on the torque converter not the flex plate. but i'll go measure my starter i got out in the garage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellow65 Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 here you go, assuming this is what you wanted measured. and i just noticed you were using metric, so that's about 65mm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill hincher Posted March 11, 2011 Author Share Posted March 11, 2011 dont you ever sleep? Mellow? I didnt know if there was a difference in the mounting bracket or something, but from what you say its all about length so we should be good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellow65 Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 dont you ever sleep? Mellow? I didnt know if there was a difference in the mounting bracket or something, but from what you say its all about length so we should be good sometimes, in between work and school and the gf i grab a couple winks. nope, from what i have ever found a manual starter is a manual starter is a manual starter. they cross all models too. if you went online to o'reilly auto parts and looked up a starter for a 90s subaru and clicked the compatibility thing, it spans all years of the legacys, imprezas, foresters, outbacks even up to a 2006 baja turbo. if you had anything from the mid 90s you're golden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbchux Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 there is a pretty huge difference between an auto and manual starter, the auto one wouldn't even come close to working. they have the ring gear on the torque converter not the flex plate. but i'll go measure my starter i got out in the garage. They're pretty similar. the difference in gear location is mostly made up by the location of the mounting surface on the bellhousing. I've never had them side-by-side. But I've never been able to tell the difference AT v MT. from rockauto AT: MT: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellow65 Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 you are right in saying the mounting surface on the bellhousing makes up for most of the position of the gear. the auto trans had a way thicker mounting flange so it would pull the starter farther away from where a flywheel would be. the side shot of the starter shows you that the auto is not out as far as the manual one is. but i think it would be pretty obvious if you put an auto starter in a manual tranny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill hincher Posted March 11, 2011 Author Share Posted March 11, 2011 they dont know it yet but that starter is gonna blow the lid off the 2JZ crowd in a little bit, I been struggling with the starter arriangement for the GM tran /2JZ engine and the Sub starter is the key to building a good cheap adapter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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