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I did my front struts with the second gen KIA springs. Fit like a glove. I did notice my new struts are longer. The old ones are the original Subaru 4WD, and new ones are 4WD Gabriel20210410_122827.jpg.7b457d7b3d130a20b4bc89649a5b1aee.jpg20210418_202804.jpg.fb92555611767c4b36915af793f95ff1.jpg

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So with the new struts and springs my camber is way off but it drives and rides like a dream compared to what it used to be. The front struts being taller is causing the rear to be about an inch lower than the front now, I will have to fab up a small lift for the rear.

 

I need to figure something out for the camber, maybe some adjustable strut tops? Or redrill the subframe.

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Appreciated Ionstorm66, the images are not displaying on the forum.

I bet they're posted from a site that requires the viewers to be logged in.

 

Regarding this:

On 4/17/2021 at 6:48 AM, Ionstorm66 said:

...Uncut they coils are touching each other when installed. This makes it impossible to remove the compressor.

Such situation never happened with the various installs of the front Honda coil springs onto the front Toyota shock absorbers that I've done, not only for my Subie, but for a bunch on other ones and also, other fellow members from this USMB worldwide has done it without cutting a single turn from the coil spring nor having the issue that you describe. 

So, this makes me think that you used other Coil Springs, not the ones that I listed on my writeup.

Here, a couple of photos from this same thread, as example:

This is my setup, uncut coil springs has enough free space between turns of the coil, to allow a normal suspension behaviour, see:

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Also, NakedBuell shared this Photo of his install, see:

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You can see his post, here:

So, if the turns of the coil springs were touching each other, it means that you used the Wrong coil spring, not the listed one.

Unless something went wrong with the install...

Kind Regards.

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On 4/19/2021 at 8:04 AM, Ionstorm66 said:

I did my front struts with the second gen KIA springs. Fit like a glove...

How it feels the Front suspension, stiffer than stock but not way too stiff?

 

The images are displaying alright now, Thank you for fixing them. :)

Kind Regards.

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8 hours ago, Loyale 2.7 Turbo said:

How it feels the Front suspension, stiffer than stock but not way too stiff?

 

The images are displaying alright now, Thank you for fixing them. :)

Kind Regards.

Both front and rear are perfect now. Not to harsh, but no swaying or bottoming out on the street. I just need to fix my front camber. Don't know why the new struts are that much taller, but they are lol.

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17 hours ago, Loyale 2.7 Turbo said:

Good :) !!!

Share photos of your Subie with us, to see how tall it sits now.

Kind Regards.

I need to figure you the camber, or I'll have to swap the old stuff back in. It already burnt the corners off both front tires in a week! Granted they weren't new tires.20210425_105032.thumb.jpg.8e03d4ddd05c49431dea821e2d0cf182.jpg

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the WRX and other morosports guys often use camber plates, and sometimes higher 'eccentricity' camber bolts to increase negative camber.

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51 minutes ago, 1 Lucky Texan said:

the WRX and other morosports guys often use camber plates, and sometimes higher 'eccentricity' camber bolts to increase negative camber.

I bought Subaru camber plates but they don't fit in the strut tower. There is no camber bolt that works on these. The crossmember bolt is too small for any off the shelf eccentric bolt, and the strut slip fits into the knuckle. 

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2 hours ago, Ionstorm66 said:

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Your Subie Looks Great, however the Kia Sephia / Spectra seems to be too much coil springs for the Subie,

Because the Subie has an Aluminium Block, Head and intake, while the Kia has cast Iron Block, Head and both manyfolds...

Kia's front coil springs are for extra heavy front... Those are ideal on engine swapped Subies plus winch,  heavy bumper, etc...

The Ford Tempo coil springs are a midway between both and might not push up the shock absorber too far high...

Also, those shock absorbers that you used, has the longer travel that I've seen on a Subaru GL / Loyale Front. Do you have their part number?

 

50 minutes ago, 1 Lucky Texan said:

the WRX and other morosports guys often use camber plates, and sometimes higher 'eccentricity' camber bolts to increase negative camber.

Good idea, you shall install camber correction plates if you want to keep that setup; but also the subie will need to raise a little more the rear.

Finally you'll need to Drop the rear differential and the engine's crossmember to save axles.

At this altitute should be needed an extension for the steering shaft and for the brake lines...

Kind Regards.

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5 minutes ago, Ionstorm66 said:

I bought Subaru camber plates but they don't fit in the strut tower. There is no camber bolt that works on these. The crossmember bolt is too small for any off the shelf eccentric bolt, and the strut slip fits into the knuckle. 

Other USMB members have successfully done installs of camber plates:

https://www.rallysportdirect.com/part/top-hats/whi-kca335-whiteline-com-c-caster-camber-adjusting-strut-mount

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Kind Regards.

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6 minutes ago, Loyale 2.7 Turbo said:

Your Subie Looks Great, however the Kia Sephia / Spectra seems to be too much coil springs for the Subie,

Because the Subie has an Aluminium Block, Head and intake, while the Kia has cast Iron Block, Head and both manyfolds...

Kia's front coil springs are for extra heavy front... Those are ideal on engine swapped Subies plus winch,  heavy bumper, etc...

The Ford Tempo coil springs are a midway between both and might not push up the shock absorber too far high...

Also, those shock absorbers that you used, has the longer travel that I've seen on a Subaru GL / Loyale Front. Do you have their part number?

 

Good idea, you shall install camber correction plates if you want to keep that setup; but also the subie will need to raise a little more the rear.

Finally you'll need to Drop the rear differential and the engine's crossmember to save axles.

At this altitute should be needed an extension for the steering shaft and for the brake lines...

Kind Regards.

There is no lift kit in the car, just new struts and springs. Also the whiteline rubber camber plates have terrible reviews, so I went with the more race style aluminum ones. Issue is the adjustment bolts sit under the top of the strut tower, and I'm not going to chop the body to make them fit.

 

I may have found a xt6 to swap to 5 lug if I can bring my self to trash all the parts and work I just threw at the car!

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Also I haven't noticed any issues with the heavier springs, the opposite. I don't have the winch on the front at the moment, but with all the spoob in the car it rides like a dream compared to before. It use to bottom out over every bump.

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1 minute ago, Ionstorm66 said:

... I may have found a xt6 to swap to 5 lug if I can bring my self to trash all the parts and work I just threw at the car!

There's no need to trash anything. 

I know that there is no lift kit on your Subie, only new coil springs and shock absorbers.

Somehow I told you that the Kia's coil springs are too stiff for the standard EA82 engined Subies; the Ford Tempo coil springs are the best bet; so, if you mix a pair of shock absorbers whose travel is longer / taller than Stock ones, with stiffer / taller coil springs, then the increased tallness will be too high and takes off the camber.

But:

5 minutes ago, Ionstorm66 said:

Also I haven't noticed any issues with the heavier springs, the opposite ... the car it rides like a dream compared to before ...

if you like the Ride, you only need to be Sure that the added stiffness will not make you to loose control of the car in unpaved / bumpy roads; because a too stiff suspension might make the whole front to bump and loose direction. You can do test drives CAREFULLY on unpaved roads at slow speeds, Please be Careful.

 

10 minutes ago, Ionstorm66 said:

...  I went with the more race style aluminum ones. Issue is the adjustment bolts sit under the top of the strut tower, and I'm not going to chop the body to make them fit...

Aluminium is Better. There should be a way to place those Camber correction plates, as I've seen aluminium ones on EA82 Subies, before:

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Kind Regards.

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6 hours ago, Loyale 2.7 Turbo said:

There's no need to trash anything. 

I know that there is no lift kit on your Subie, only new coil springs and shock absorbers.

Somehow I told you that the Kia's coil springs are too stiff for the standard EA82 engined Subies; the Ford Tempo coil springs are the best bet; so, if you mix a pair of shock absorbers whose travel is longer / taller than Stock ones, with stiffer / taller coil springs, then the increased tallness will be too high and takes off the camber.

But:

if you like the Ride, you only need to be Sure that the added stiffness will not make you to loose control of the car in unpaved / bumpy roads; because a too stiff suspension might make the whole front to bump and loose direction. You can do test drives CAREFULLY on unpaved roads at slow speeds, Please be Careful.

 

Aluminium is Better. There should be a way to place those Camber correction plates, as I've seen aluminium ones on EA82 Subies, before:

DZKY38D.jpg

Kind Regards.

You can see in that picture the screws to set the camber are against the top of the tower. In order to get my camber set right, the screws would be under the top of the strut tower. Also these style tops lower the car over an inch.

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Also I have had it hooning down dirt roads, in the sand, and in the mud. No issues with the front bouncing. There is still 2 inches of down travel from the standing ride height.

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17 hours ago, Ionstorm66 said:

You can see in that picture the screws to set the camber are against the top of the tower. In order to get my camber set right, the screws would be under the top of the strut tower. Also these style tops lower the car over an inch.

This style of camber plate RAISES the front of the car.  The OEM strut mounts protrude up into the engine bay, while these plates are flat and actually don't protrude into the engine bay at all.

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9 hours ago, carfreak85 said:

This style of camber plate RAISES the front of the car.  The OEM strut mounts protrude up into the engine bay, while these plates are flat and actually don't protrude into the engine bay at all.

The factory ones have the mount for the strut lower. The rubber protrudes into the engine bay, but the actual mount point for the strut is lower. With the camber plates, the top of the strut bearing is above the top of the plate. With the rubber style it is below the plate.

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You are correct lonstorm66, I just popped outside to look at the twins and, while the difference is less than a half inch, you are correct.  The clamping surface in the stock mount IS the lowest point of the mount, where the camber plate doesn't sit quite as far below the strut tower.

My statement stands for OEM EJ front strut mounts, but OEM EA82 front strut mounts are indeed different.

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