tanner93loyale Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 I'm confused trying to replace the waterpump on my 93 loyale wagon I have taken off the fan and ac belt and the alternator and confused on what I need to take off next. This is the hardest water pump I have ever done, I have no clue what Subaru was thinking lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbchux Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 The timing belt cover has to come off for sure (crank pulley has to come off for that...). To do it correctly, the timing belts should be removed. You, evidently, have not done too many water pumps . There's a reason that it's frequently done preventatively on most timing belt jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdweninger Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 After you get the water pump replaced, you will understand why we ditch the timing belt covers. I always remove the radiator, just to have more room to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tanner93loyale Posted February 18, 2016 Author Share Posted February 18, 2016 The timing belt isn't in the way though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tanner93loyale Posted February 18, 2016 Author Share Posted February 18, 2016 After you get the water pump replaced, you will understand why we ditch the timing belt covers. I always remove the radiator, just to have more room to work. I even had somebody that knows these old Subaru very well and he thought I was going to have to take the timing belt off but he looked and said I didnt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tanner93loyale Posted February 18, 2016 Author Share Posted February 18, 2016 I shouldn't have to take the timing belt off since it's surpentine belt driven right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbchux Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 It is driven by the v-belts, but the body of the pump is very much behind the timing belt. Every one I've done, I did while doing a timing belt job anyway. I think I've heard that people have been able to sneak it out from there without removing the timing belt, but I can't confirm that. The outer timing belt cover bolts to the water pump, so you'll need to take that off to even see 2 of the mounting bolts. I would remove the radiator for access, replace the timing belts, reseal the oil pump at the very least while I was in that far. Or just rip the whole thing out and put a real engine in there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tanner93loyale Posted February 18, 2016 Author Share Posted February 18, 2016 It is driven by the v-belts, but the body of the pump is very much behind the timing belt. Every one I've done, I did while doing a timing belt job anyway. I think I've heard that people have been able to sneak it out from there without removing the timing belt, but I can't confirm that. The outer timing belt cover bolts to the water pump, so you'll need to take that off to even see 2 of the mounting bolts. I would remove the radiator for access, replace the timing belts, reseal the oil pump at the very least while I was in that far. Or just rip the whole thing out and put a real engine in there I've got all the bolts off of the water pump except for one of them which is blocked by the upper radiator pipe to the water pump which will not come put of the water pump for some reason. Have you done a water pump on a 93 loyale? It's different then the 90 and I wish I had the funds to ej22 swap it haha sadly I'm 17 years old and broke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbchux Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 It's virtually the exact same pump on all EA82s (2 different hub heights, but same idea). I've done it on a '92, '88, and '85 for sure....probably more. there's a bolt under the alternator that holds that water pipe to the head, then it should come out of the housing fairly easily, there's just an O-ring there, (helps to remove that radiator hose, too). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tanner93loyale Posted February 19, 2016 Author Share Posted February 19, 2016 It's virtually the exact same pump on all EA82s (2 different hub heights, but same idea). I've done it on a '92, '88, and '85 for sure....probably more. there's a bolt under the alternator that holds that water pipe to the head, then it should come out of the housing fairly easily, there's just an O-ring there, (helps to remove that radiator hose, too). Ended up getting the old one off and the new one on without taking the timing belt off or messing with the timing at all. Turns out it was the water pump hose that was bad so looks like I have a spare water pump for the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdweninger Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 When were the timing belts last changed? How many miles are on the Loyale? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tanner93loyale Posted February 20, 2016 Author Share Posted February 20, 2016 When were the timing belts last changed? How many miles are on the Loyale? 197k they didn't look to old but I do think I need to do the timing on it soon. I have this idle problem that feels like a misfire but I don't have a misfire or a blown head gasket. All plugs are good everything is fine so Im thinking I need to do the timing. Got the water pump replaced and everything back on with out having to take the timing belt off.it only took 3 days lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdweninger Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 If you did not put the timing covers back on, you can check to see if the cam sprockets timing marks are at 12 and 6. My first Soob , the timing belts were one tooth off. I had no experience with Subarus, drove it for 6 years with the timing off. The car ran 'okay'... Then found the problem when I decided it was time to change my timing belts. With the covers off, I found the belts were off 1 tooth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashwell Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 I managed to change the water pump on my 1990 ea82 with just taking a few bolts out of timing cover bend it back a bit and change the water pump took me 8~ hours or so. I'm 17 as well, how ironic lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashwell Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 I managed to change the water pump on my 1990 ea82 with just taking a few bolts out of timing cover bend it back a bit and change the water pump took me 8~ hours or so. I'm 17 as well, how ironic lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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